bust Posted December 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Tazer .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted December 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 "There may be more to it' date=' we don't know yet, but I really do wonder why ... just one policeman might not have shot at his arm or shot at his leg.[/quote'] Somebody's been watching too much television. A handgun is not a disabling device, it is a killing device. If the cops are justified in pulling the trigger then their training is to aim for center mass - the middle of the chest. The issue here is should they have shot at all. It makes no sense to criticize them for successfully placing the shots where their training directed them to. Also the criticism that all three cops fired seems misplaced as well. All three were presented with the same set of circumstances. All three have received the same training as to when deadly force is justified. Does the fact that all three reached the same decision at the same moment make them seem more or less disciplined? I'd say more. If whatever this kid did created a justification for any one to shoot then it created that justification for each of the three to do so. What are the officers supposed to do in that instant? "Uh, Bob, how about you shooting the guy." "Oh no, Jim, after you." If any one officer is shooting to kill, why should we be concerned that the alleged criminal received three fatal shots instead of just one? Either way he's dead. Also, the quote in the article that the confrontation "didn't seem fair" is just horribly wrongheaded. It is not supposed to be a "fair fight" no matter what level of force is appropriate. The alleged criminal has absolutely no legal right to resist the officers by force. By contrast the officers are professionally obliged to risk their lives and use force to stop the miscreant. To imply any sort of symmetry between the two parties is morally obtuse. Finally, one poster said the cops need more time at the range. Wrong! It's those more typical cases where scores of shots are fired and the criminal is barely hit at all that indicate a need for more firearms training. ry don't attribute parts of the news story as quotes from me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted December 12, 2008 Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 Tazer .... Does that department carry tazers? And if the tazer killed him, you'd bitch about that. I hate cops as much as the next guy, but some of the logic here just doesn't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted December 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2008 NSW police carry then Victorian don't. The posters' or the cops logic... These guys are supposedly trained and trained to use there fire-arms as a last resort. I am sure there were other options not yet used before shooting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beano Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Looks like the kid was part of some white supremest anti-immigrant group. A police shooting waiting to happen. Tyler's MySpace page reveals he was a member of the anti-immigration white-pride Southern Cross Soldiers, a group formed in the wake of the Cronulla riots, which specialises in Romper Stomper-style street violence against rival gangs and ethnic minorities. Tyler's fellow "soldiers" yesterday left condolence messages online saying "You went down fighting like a true champion". How did a kid described by friends as "kind and caring", and who was deeply affected by his father's death from cancer a few years ago, get himself mixed up in an ugly fascist scene? Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torneyboy Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 The Victorian police have been after them but no funds for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 From what I can tell, the Victorian cops had six shooters. I still can't tell what calibre and what type, i.e. hollow points. I still can't find info how close the cops were. I still can't see why 4 cops couldn't disable him. Did they call for reinforcements? It does sound like the cops considered him pond water and acted upon that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Whack him with a boomerang. You don't shoot the crap out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torneyboy Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 38 cal guns ....the story is still confusing ...as to what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit_of_town_hall Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 The Cronulla riots started because "life savers" were badly beaten by a gang of lebanese men. The same year a dozen lebanese were in various courts for the organised gang rapes of young australian women. Maybe this group is a reaction to lebanese aggression. This young boys membership of the youth gang will void any proper investigation in the shooting, regretably he is already guilty as charged. STH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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