expat Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I'm with you on this one, Weird. I'd much rather that we go down in flames as capitalists than prosper through anything that has a whiff of socialism. You'd rather go down in flames (and take everyone with you) than prosper. Amazing. I sure hope you're unwilling and/or unable to actively try to make this happen. There are enough extremists and terrorists in the world already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expat Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Until the USA wakes up and runs off the lobbyists, runs off the illegals, runs off the useless politicians, gets our troops back in the USA to help out the USA that badly needs help... nothing will change. Prez. O said he was about "change", OK, let's get started!!! I agree about the lobbyists and about ending the wars. Obama has promised change and made all the right noises, but we'll see if anything comes of it. Corruption in the US is more deep and insidious than in Thailand and it will be very hard to reverse the influence of big money in America. Obama may actually be part of the corruption. If not, he may not be powerful enough to stop it. I hope he is not part of it and he succeeds in changing the system, but I'm not holding my breath. Immigration I'm not so sure about. Many on Thai360 talk about the benefits going *to* illegal immigrants, but few talk about the benefits coming *from* them, and that's just not fair. It's a very complex issue, and off the current topic so I'll stop at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Obama will sign spending bill despite earmarks WASHINGTON â?? President Barack Obama will break a campaign pledge against congressional earmarks and sign a budget bill laden with millions in lawmakers' pet projects, administration officials said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090302/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_spending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Who said they wished the nation would fail? They want Obama to fail with his socialistic policies. I'm with you on this one' date=' Weird. I'd much rather that we go down in flames as capitalists than prosper through anything that has a whiff of socialism. Goddammit, I wanna go back to the days when Sgt Slaughter was putting the Cobra-Clutch on Nikolai Volkoff! We didn't have to deal with all these commie socialists masquerading as Americans back then.[/quote'] That's really a sad comment. Reminds me on the 1940s/50s when the radikal right and left put ideology above everything - even if this meant that millions of people would have to suffer. Also this nonsense about socialism and communism is really strange. I presume neither Weird nor you know anything about the political history of East Europe or China and you seem to know nothing about political systems. Otherwise you would understand that universal healthcare has not much to do with Socialism. Germany, France, e.g. are definitely no socialist countries, since the two major foundations of these countries are capitalism and democracy, nevertheless those countries have universal healthcare. Anyway, I think today's comment by Christopher Buckley is very suitable: The Audacity of Nope by Christopher Buckley March 1, 2009 | 7:54pm One feels almost unpatriotic, entertaining negative thoughts about Obamaâ??s grand plan. But it is far from clear that spending oceanic sums of money is the right corrective. That was, as Tom Lehrer would say, the week that was. President Barack Obama gave his first State of the Union speech. Governor Bobby Jindal gave his first and possibly last Republican response. The president presented a $3.6 trillion budget, and announced that we are getting out of Iraq but not really. And Rush Limbaugh gaveâ??as he put it, fun intendedâ??his first nationally televised address to the nation. Just remember the apothegm that a government that is big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away. Hold onâ??thereâ??s a typo in that paragraph. â??$3.6 trillion budgetâ? canâ??t be right.The entire national debt isâ??whatâ??about $11 trillion? He canâ??t actually be proposing to spend nearly one-third of that in one year, surely. Let me check. Hmm. He did. The Wall Street Journal notes that federal outlays in fiscal 2009 will rise to almost 30 percent of the gross national product. In language that even an innumerate English major such as myself can understand: The US government is now spending annually about one-third of what the entire US economy produces. As George Will would say, â??Well.â? Now let me say: [color:red]Unlike Rush Limbaugh, I want President Obama to succeed. I honestly do. We are all in this leaky boat togetherâ??did I say â??leakyâ?Â? I meant â??sieve-likeâ?Ââ??and it would be counterproductive, if not downright suicidal, to want it to go down just to prove a conservative critique of Keynesian economics.[/color] But letâ??s all be honest about this: No one knows how all this is going to turn out in the end. Do you, really? If we learned one thing during the runup to this rancid enchilada, it is that most of the smartest people in the room were wrong, and the other ones were crooked. (...) Daily Beast PS: What surprises me most is that you and Weird think that Obama's policy can't be reversed in four or eight years and that you prefer the demise of the USA instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Okay, let us say Obama fails. How long will the Conservative's "We told them so, We told them so!" VICTORY party last? Then what? Do the Conservatives have ANY ideas how to get out of the mess or will they still continue blaming it as all Oboma's fault or Nancy Pelosi's fault? Of the two, Nancy Pelosi should be looked at as the most detestable because of all the years she whispered into GWB's ear and if he didn't comply, she would pull his string! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weird Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 I'm sure you blame Clinton for a whole bunch of things and he's been gone for eight years. Seems perfectly logical to blame the guys who just vacated the post a few weeks ago for our current situation... Cheers, SD Do a search on Thai360 for me as an author and see how many times I've blamed Clinton over the course of me posting on this board. Now do a search on you and Bush. That's what I thought. Now if you'll stop sticking your foot in your mouth we can get down to the situation at hand with Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weird Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 PS: What surprises me most is that you and Weird think that Obama's policy can't be reversed in four or eight years and that you prefer the demise of the USA instead. Oh drama queen. You've been taking notes from Barry recently. Hey, listen to me or it's doomsday. Hey, I'm right or it's doomsday. It's doomsday everybody, I'm your saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 PS: What surprises me most is that you and Weird think that Obama's policy can't be reversed in four or eight years and that you prefer the demise of the USA instead. Oh drama queen. You've been taking notes from Barry recently. Hey' date=' listen to me or it's doomsday. Hey, I'm right or it's doomsday. It's doomsday everybody, I'm your saviour. [/quote'] I guess the situation is not that bad then? Anyway, that is not a real answer to my post. Also, if Obama's way out is right or not *nobody* knows at the moment - but it is clear that the GOP had a major role in digging this grave and the GOP currently offers only a solution which has been proven wrong (tax cuts and/or doing nothing). But *all* industrial countries are coming to the same solution like Obama at the moment - huge bail outs -, either they have conservative or social democratic governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weird Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Also, if Obama's way out is right or not *nobody* knows at the moment - but it is clear that the GOP had a major role in digging this grave and the GOP currently offers only a solution which has been proven wrong (tax cuts and/or doing nothing). But *all* industrial countries are coming to the same solution like Obama at the moment - huge bail outs -, either they have conservative or social democratic governments. Obviously Democrats had nothing to do with it since they all voted unanimously against "Bush's" mistakes. Right? This time you can see the clear cut difference between Republicans and Democrats. One side is making it clear what they believe, the other side fence sits and claims they were right using hindsight. Sorry if you Democraps don't like the fact that you won't be able to pawn this giant mistake off later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Also' date=' if Obama's way out is right or not *nobody* knows at the moment - but it is clear that the GOP had a major role in digging this grave and the GOP currently offers only a solution which has been proven wrong (tax cuts and/or doing nothing). But *all* industrial countries are coming to the same solution like Obama at the moment - huge bail outs -, either they have conservative or social democratic governments. [/quote'] This time you can see the clear cut difference between Republicans and Democrats. One side is making it clear what they believe, the other side fence sits and claims they were right using hindsight. Sorry if you Democraps don't like the fact that you won't be able to pawn this giant mistake off later. "Believes"? That's the difference between me an you. Of course I have my values, my moral, certain political ideas, but I am definitely not a 'believer' in any political ideology like you the the right part of the GOP are. The GOP had eight years to prove their ideology working for the good of the Americans and the world, but the reality has proven it completely wrong on almost all fields. Now the GOP has run the USA and the whole world into the ground (of course not GOP alone, but it seems to have a major share) and you are proud that you are still sticking to your believes. What do you do, when Obama's plan is working? Emigrating to Alaska? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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