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[kamui]

"There are two ideas of government," said William Jennings Bryan at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in 1896. "There are those who believe that you just legislate to make the well-to-do prosperous, that their prosperity will leak through on those below. The Democratic idea has been that if you legislate to make the masses prosperous their prosperity will find its way up and through every class that rests upon it."

 

Under the Rep governments the upper 10% gained considerably while the masses lost. Blue collar workers are back to an income level of the 1970s and even the middle class is losing more and more.

So what are the GOP governors doing?

- cutting education

- cutting health care

- cutting public work projects

- raising prices public transportation

e.g.

 

- while keeping tax loopholes for the rich open

- cutting tax for the rich

e.g.

 

Remember Bush's "compassionate conservatism". It has been exchanged by raw capitalism, which favors the rich and the major companies. Many in the US already talk about democracy just being a facade for an increasing powerful oligarchy.

- And to the surprise of many, Obama is a major player in this game.

 

To describe Obama as a socialist or 'evil' just shows how the Reps, the connected media, think tanks, e.g. have been able to distort the reality that much, that even those who already have a much more miserable life under a GOP governor are still see Obama as the enemy of the state.

[kamui]

PS: it is absolutely fascinating to see how the Tea Party, which has just 20% support among US voters, is able to force the GOP candidates to take more and more radical right wing positions - it shows how powerful the right wing foundations, think tanks, media, corporations are already are. They control and drive the conservative discourse almost 100%.

[Bangkoktraveler]

Conservatives hate Obama but ......... they registered as Democrats to vote for him in the primary.

 

There is a possibility the Conservatives weren't really stupid but have been planning this whole mess.

[Hugh_Hoy]

PS: it is absolutely fascinating to see how the Tea Party, which has just 20% support among US voters, is able to force the GOP candidates to take more and more radical right wing positions - it shows how powerful the right wing foundations, think tanks, media, corporations are already are. They control and drive the conservative discourse almost 100%.

 

The Tea Party doesn't address social issues, so no surprise that you seem to dislike it. If you take time to read the very small list of things which are dear to the Tea Party, you will find those things to have been equally important by the "founding fathers". We have, in Obama, a neo-fuhrer who has attempted to tear up our Constitution and tear down the protections guaranteed by that document. (BTW, your percentages don't make sense, based upon the percentages of the population declaring themselves Demoncrap or Republican.) Also, our mainstream media(major newspapers and TV networks) are decidedly liberal.

 

HH

[Bangkoktraveler]

The Tea Party doesn't address social issues, so no surprise that you seem to dislike it. If you take time to read the very small list of things which are dear to the Tea Party, you will find those things to have been equally important by the "founding fathers". We have, in Obama, a neo-fuhrer who has attempted to tear up our Constitution and tear down the protections guaranteed by that document. (BTW, your percentages don't make sense, based upon the percentages of the population declaring themselves Demoncrap or Republican.) Also, our mainstream media(major newspapers and TV networks) are decidedly liberal.

 

HH

 

 

The Tea party favors the Patriot Act.

 

The Tea Party sees nothing wrong with extra judicial executions or extra judicial punishments.

 

The Tea Party wants the mainstram media to view only their agenda. All other media is considered Socialist, Communist, etc. and must be destroyed.

 

The Tea Party hates Obama and hope he fails!

 

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From what I have seen, Tea Party members will be happy if non Tea Party members are eliminated - eugenics.

[kamui]

The Tea Party doesn't address social issues, so no surprise that you seem to dislike it. If you take time to read the very small list of things which are dear to the Tea Party, you will find those things to have been equally important by the "founding fathers". We have, in Obama, a neo-fuhrer who has attempted to tear up our Constitution and tear down the protections guaranteed by that document. (BTW, your percentages don't make sense, based upon the percentages of the population declaring themselves Demoncrap or Republican.) Also, our mainstream media(major newspapers and TV networks) are decidedly liberal.

 

HH

 

I have to correct myself: 25% are supporting the Tea Party. Nevertheless:

More Americans consider themselves strong opponents of the Tea Party movement than strong supporters, by 20% to 14%, and the ratio is a similar 22% to 15% among registered voters. When factoring in those who support or oppose the movement but not strongly, the opposing groups are more evenly matched, with 25% of Americans in total classified as Tea Party supporters and 28% as opponents.

Link

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And of course the Tea Party addresses social issues:

 

Here are recent results on the Tea Party within the GOP. The GOP seems to be split between Tea Party supporters and moderates.

All comparisons below are between GOP Tea Party members and GOP non- Tea Party members

- "Demographically, the tea party movement seems to hearken back to the 'angry white men'

- Nearly eight in ten tea party Republicans describe themselves as conservatives,

- Most tea party Republicans say that Congress and President Barack Obama should pay more attention to the deficit," says Holland. "Most non-tea party Republicans say that reducing unemployment is more important than reducing the deficit."

- Nearly six in ten tea party Republicans say that global warming is not a proven fact.

- Tea party Republicans are roughly twice as likely to say that abortion should be illegal in all circumstances and roughly half as likely to support gay marriage.

- Tea party Republicans are also roughly twice as likely to believe that the Social Security system should be replaced**

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More on the Tea Party in general:

- The percentage of people with an unfavorable view of the Tea Party in aNew York Times/CBS News Poll this week was higher than it has been since the first time the question was asked, in April 2010. Forty percent of those polled this week characterized their view as “not favorable,†compared with 18 percent in the first poll.

- Tea Party groups and lawmakers made debt reduction their priority, but many Americans said creating jobs was more important. And while many Republicans, influenced by the Tea Party, insisted that they would not allow any increases in tax revenue, a majority of Americans said debt reduction had to include higher taxes as well as lower spending.

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**Like Perry who wrote in his last book that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme. Now he is in deep shit with elder GOP voters who don't want any changes to Social Security.

[kamui]

The Tea Party doesn't address social issues, so no surprise that you seem to dislike it. If you take time to read the very small list of things which are dear to the Tea Party, you will find those things to have been equally important by the "founding fathers". We have, in Obama, a neo-fuhrer who has attempted to tear up our Constitution and tear down the protections guaranteed by that document. (BTW, your percentages don't make sense, based upon the percentages of the population declaring themselves Demoncrap or Republican.) Also, our mainstream media(major newspapers and TV networks) are decidedly liberal.

 

HH

 

So where did Obama try to tear up the Constitution?

And why is he a neo-fuhrer? It seems you have no idea how the real Fuhrer ruled Nazi Germany.

 

 

These are just empty Tea Party phrases.

 

Moreover: the recent downgarde of the USA was also a result of the GOP obstructionism, which did stopp parts of the US government von functioning properly. This had never happened before in USA history as far as I know. By the way, the GOP blocked was very influential in changing the opinion of the Tea Party from mostly positive to mostly negative.

 

It is like in Weimar Republik in Germany: if a group, like the Tea Party GOP, does not want to compromise anymore and takes the government hostage with maxed out demands, the democratic system will be severely damaged.

[Steve]

I hope this link works. I grew up with guys like this. Maybe they didn't or couldn't go to Harvard but they had street smarts and common sense. I respect the latter more than the former.

 

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/photo.php?v=10150311478847717

[Hugh_Hoy]

I hope this link works. I grew up with guys like this. Maybe they didn't or couldn't go to Harvard but they had street smarts and common sense. I respect the latter more than the former.

 

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/photo.php?v=10150311478847717

 

Who is this guy? We need him in Congress !

 

HH

[Steve]

Who is this guy? We need him in Congress !

 

HH

 

Its funny but he makes sense and I think it goes to illustrate that all of us are in the same boat and feel the same frustrations as Americans. Whether you're a small town guy in Iowa or a guy from the inner city. Congress' disapproval rating of 82% encompasses all of us.

 

It also brings home that a lot of this stuff in Congress isn't rocket science. They make it out to be but its mosty common sense stuff.

 

There is a lot of anger out there. Against everyone, the President and the Congress. Both have low approval ratings. Its not about party any more. People just want them to do their friggin' job.

 

"The country got a 350 credit rating.." haha...I knew guys like this. Street guys and smart and had common sense.