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[Hugh_Hoy]

"The country got a 350 credit rating.." haha...I knew guys like this. Street guys and smart and had common sense.

 

Yeah funny. Would be a lot funnier if it wasn't true. I'm sure we all wish we had our own printing press like the Treasury. Between the Treasury and Fed, it's one big check-kiting scheme. One of these days, it's gonna come down like a ton of bricks. Think Greece. Of course, there are politicians who either think it can't happen here or don't give a hoot. The T Party (the greatest thing to happen in this country since the election of Ike (55555555)) has only 3 or 4 basic planks: Conserve the letter/meaning of the Constitution as written/amended; limit taxation; limited Federal government; and balance the damn budget. Pretty simple. People who don't understand that gotta be even more "simple".

 

HH

[Bangkoktraveler]

Yeah funny. Would be a lot funnier if it wasn't true. I'm sure we all wish we had our own printing press like the Treasury. Between the Treasury and Fed, it's one big check-kiting scheme. One of these days, it's gonna come down like a ton of bricks. Think Greece. Of course, there are politicians who either think it can't happen here or don't give a hoot. The T Party (the greatest thing to happen in this country since the election of Ike (55555555)) has only 3 or 4 basic planks: [color:red]Conserve the letter/meaning of the Constitution as written/amended; limit taxation; limited Federal government; and balance the damn budget. Pretty simple.[/color] People who don't understand that gotta be even more "simple".

 

HH

Your boy GWB did exactly the opposite as you outlined.

 

Why isn't GWB called a LEFTIST, Communist, Socialist, etc.?

[Steve]

I asked a few guys on my soccer forum what they thought about Obama. I tried to be objective. I was curious if the euphoria over him had waned as it did in America. He seems more popular abroad than here. The same could be said in reverse for Tony Blair. Hero worshipped here but was not nearly as popular in England.

 

CS: I have a question that I hoe doesn't sound too political or gets derailed into a political discussion. What is Obama's reputation in the UK (as well as Aussies, Irish, NZ) these days?

 

 

First response: He seems to be pretty smart but feel that he came in at the wrong time. The massive worldwide damage (crippling overconsumption of debt) had already been done and he seems to have been tied up the entire time fighting fires. Then when his party managed to come up with a good idea for fixing some mess (which might be painful for the populace / corporates) he gets shut down by populist rhethoric.

From the outside looking in, it would seem that there are no easy fixes despite what the opposition says. Unfortunately most of the population either don't see it, or don't care because they didn't create it so don't feel obliged to pay for it.

 

The same could be overlayed on Greece, Italy, Ireland or any other country that thought the party would never end.

 

In general he's probably viewed as less of a militant bully than many of his predecessors and more open minded about other countries' points of view.

 

 

Second Response: Yeah I would pretty much agree with that view. Right man ... wrong time!

 

 

Third response: He is virtually hero-worshipped here in Ireland. I wouldn't share that view but he is undoubtedly better than dubya. I don't know if you saw the coverage of his visit to his relatives in the pub in Co Offaly. He really does have the common touch and I was impressed by how he dealt with that and genuinely seemed to enjoy the experience.

[kamui]

<br> The T Party (the greatest thing to happen in this country since the election of Ike (55555555)) has only 3 or 4 basic planks: Conserve the letter/meaning of the Constitution as written/amended; limit taxation; limited Federal government; and balance the damn budget.  Pretty simple.  People who don't understand that gotta be even more "simple".<br><br>HH<br>

<br><br>First: there seems to be two schools of thought  in the USA how the constitutions should be interpreted. <br>- Originalism: The constitution needs to be taken literally. = Tea Party<br><font face="Arial,">- Living Constitutionalism: the constitution has to be read with the huge changes in mind which happened since the constitution was written. = Dems and moderate Reps</font><br><br>Second: Tax limitation: most Americans think that creating jobs is far more important than lowering taxes.<br><br>Third: Balancing the budget can either happen when the income of the US government increases, or when vital parts of the government will be scaled down (military, infrastructure, social security, environmental protection, e.g.). Or it could be a balance of both. <br><br>Forth: In a complex world there are no simple solutions anymore. Those who prescribe populist and overly simplistic solutions like the Tea Party will fail in the end. They will fail at the moment when most Americans realize that the Tea Party solutions will make their lives even worse than their lives already are.<br><br>IMHO the Tea Party is a vital symptom of the US crisis, but not part of the solution. <br><br>The Tea Party is also a sign of the rapidly changing demographics in the USA. It is no surprise that it is mostly run by angry, elder, white males. (right, HH? <img src="http://t2.thai360.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif" alt="" class="bbc_emoticon">)<br>This group has a lot to lose with the rapid increase of the non-white population. That's why they want to turn back to clock (see the debate on the constitution) as far as possible, back to a time when they ruled the country, the government, the economy. <br>Of course they still do rule (just look at Fox News, the Koch brother e.g.), but Obama is clear agent of change. <br><br>IMHO that's why Obama is being hated by the right wing conservatives. Obama is not hated for what he does - his actions are absolutely within the tradtional  framework of US politics - but for what he stands for: the end of the rulership of the white males.<br>By the way, you don't have to forgot the relentless attacks on Hillary Clinton when she was the first lady and afterwards. As women, she was an threat to the white males as well, even though not as strong as Obama, because she still represented the traditional political class.

[Bangkoktraveler]

Hard to believe the Tea Party would affiliate themselves with a historical act which was not identified as the Boston Tea Party till over 60 years after the event.

 

The reason why the Boston Tea Party was not placed 'on a mantle' is that singular act was not an act of inspiration but about certain bootleggers wanting their more expensive tea to be purchased.

[kamui]

I guess my text got scrambled up.

 

Doesn't matter, it was just about the Tea Part, the constitution and taxes...

<br><br>First: there seems to be two schools of thought  in the USA how the constitutions should be interpreted. <br>- Originalism: The constitution needs to be taken literally. = Tea Party<br><font face="Arial,">- Living Constitutionalism: the constitution has to be read with the huge changes in mind which happened since the constitution was written. = Dems and moderate Reps</font><br><br>Second: Tax limitation: most Americans think that creating jobs is far more important than lowering taxes.<br><br>Third: Balancing the budget can either happen when the income of the US government increases, or when vital parts of the government will be scaled down (military, infrastructure, social security, environmental protection, e.g.). Or it could be a balance of both. <br><br>Forth: In a complex world there are no simple solutions anymore. Those who prescribe populist and overly simplistic solutions like the Tea Party will fail in the end. They will fail at the moment when most Americans realize that the Tea Party solutions will make their lives even worse than their lives already are.<br><br>IMHO the Tea Party is a vital symptom of the US crisis, but not part of the solution. <br><br>The Tea Party is also a sign of the rapidly changing demographics in the USA. It is no surprise that it is mostly run by angry, elder, white males. (right, HH? <img src="http://t2.thai360.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif" alt="" class="bbc_emoticon">)<br>This group has a lot to lose with the rapid increase of the non-white population. That's why they want to turn back to clock (see the debate on the constitution) as far as possible, back to a time when they ruled the country, the government, the economy. <br>Of course they still do rule (just look at Fox News, the Koch brother e.g.), but Obama is clear agent of change. <br><br>IMHO that's why Obama is being hated by the right wing conservatives. Obama is not hated for what he does - his actions are absolutely within the tradtional  framework of US politics - but for what he stands for: the end of the rulership of the white males.<br>By the way, you don't have to forgot the relentless attacks on Hillary Clinton when she was the first lady and afterwards. As women, she was an threat to the white males as well, even though not as strong as Obama, because she still represented the traditional political class.

[Bangkoktraveler]

India is stepping away ahead of the other countries.

 

They now have a $35.00 tablet computer (cost $45.00 with $10.00) from the government.

 

They stepped to the front of the line a while ago with their $2040 Nano car.

 

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Too bad the USA didn't go this route.

[Bangkoktraveler]

What is 'America' going to do?........

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Sarah isn't going to run for President.

[Bangkoktraveler]

Hard to believe Obama's socialist, Markist regime is going to go after the legal

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Is Obama really a Republican?.

[robaus]

I guess my text got scrambled up.

 

Doesn't matter, it was just about the Tea Part, the constitution and taxes...

 

I managed to decipher it, no worries. Interesting item.

 

I liked this observation

 

"Balancing the budget can either happen when the income of the US government increases, or when vital parts of the government will be scaled down (military, infrastructure, social security, environmental protection, e.g.). Or it could be a balance of both."

 

Don't let the neo cons and you-know-who inveigle you into futile wars.

 

Same is true for you and me. Increase your income and/or spend less...

...or win Lotto!

 

Perhaps aliens will land in area 51 and reveal the secrets of the universe but only to Bill Gates and Warren Buffet.

 

... or create your own Lotto bonanza, by bringing peace to the Middle East and winning all the reconstruction contracts, before the Chinese sneak in and beat you to it.