cavanami Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 ...and the winners are.... President Clinton used his power under the U.S. Constitution to grant pardons and clemency to 456 people! Obama, by comparison, granted clemency 1,927 times during his eight-year tenure, including 212 pardons and 1,715 commutations!!!!!!!! George Washington issued the first presidential pardon by excusing two men who participated in the Whiskey Rebellion. In 1868, President Andrew Johnson fully pardoned every soldier who fought for the Confederate Army. So far, Trump has granted clemency less frequently than any president in modern history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Some context. Obama's pardons are almost entirely a class of federal prisoners on non violent drug violations, especially marijuana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 While I had serious issues with some of Clinton's pardons such as swindler Marc Rich, whose ex wife just so happened to be a big DNC donor, his pardons are federal prisoners, that are non violent, deemed inconsequential to some extent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton It must also be said, many pardons are brought to the president by members of both parties. The pardons, with a few exceptions, have no connection, personally, or legally to either Clinton or Obama. tRumps pardon have a personal connection and a conflict of interest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Clinton pardoned his BROTHER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Exactly why the pardon provision needs a constitutional amendment among other things. The elder Bush and Clinton in particular I felt abused the "spirit" of pardons in their last days in the office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 ...and lets not be misleading. The debate was never how many pardons donald has done its WHO he has pardoned. Conservatives (and sometimes liberals) argue points that were never an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo_bill Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 As Trump yesterday sort of admitted it is over I may suggest this fine board pardons Cavanami for spreading unbelievable nonsense over a very long period of time. I appreciate in particular that Cavanami´s frquency to quote Dr. Corsi and the Jesus in the leatherjacket dropped significantly recently. This is a good sign. Probably Leader Khunsanuk might open a subforum The 2020 US ballott fraud where Cavanami could continue to explain the details and nobody listens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Penis is hungry Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Mekong said: Because it is in the constitution, the same constitution that allows citizens to roam the streets carrying assault rifles. Ahhh - fuckin idiots - explains it all, Any other first world allows this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coss Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 What Cav is saying is that Obama is better than Trump, so far, in applying pardons and clemency. CAV, you’re gonna have to work on your material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, My Penis is hungry said: Ahhh - fuckin idiots - explains it all, Any other first world allows this? Kings and queens gave plenty of pardons. Today? not sure. Maybe people from other countries can chime in...the big cheese in Germany can give pardonshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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