chuckwoww Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Probably not. Which may explain the timing. Saakashvili would have been smart to wait before starting his ethnic cleansing. But maybe he figured NATO wouldn't agree to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Looks like the Russians have grabbed a military base inside Georgia proper, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russian-troops-open-second-front-891052.html Bargaining chip most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waerth Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Not a bargaining chip. Putin is trying his luck and seeing how far he can go. Slowly they will take over Georgia. Install a government they want. And that government will promptly seek Anschluss with Russia. This is just history repeating only in another region. Waerth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Yes. Obviously the Russian objective is to have a friendly government in Georgia. But they have to be careful not to use too much force because not all Georgians are anti-Russian and Saakashvili has political enemies. Negotiations always involve facts on the ground. First they want the Georgian army out of South Ossetia so taking a military base near Poti makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Possible US mercenary connection in S. Ossetia, according to Russian TV.... and the Israel connection... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 With Russia rambling in to Georgia opens the door wider for GWB to go into Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 This guy seems to think it may all be part of the same war... http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9788 I hope you folks don't mind me posting these links about Russia/Georgia...let me know if you'd rather hear about John Edward's love child. and here is the Georgian Olympic sprint team... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7554417.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waerth Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Unfortunately it seems I am right. Russia is advancing more and more into Georgia proper and has now warned other former Soviet states ..... Russia Warns Baltics, Poland To Pay For Georgia Stance-Report: http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20080811\ACQDJON200808110842DOWJONESDJONLINE000221.htm&&mypage=newsheadlines&title=Russia%20Warns%20Baltics,%20Poland%20To%20Pay%20For%20Georgia%20Stance-Report Putin is clearly seeing his chance to reunite parts of the former Soviet empire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I still doubt the Russians want to occupy Georgia. They just want to squeeze Saakashvili. Not sure why the Baltics and Poland want to get involved...the important NATO countries don't seem to have much to say. Europeans have to think about their oil and gas supply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waerth Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 Some interesting pieces from this BBC news article, it seems I am not the only one in the thoughts that Putin tries to push as far as possible: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7554925.stm European diplomats and foreign ministers have conceded they will struggle to regain the initiative in the conflict between Russia and Georgia. They talk in the darkest terms of a possible return to tensions the likes of which Europe has not seen since World War II. Several have even compared events to Nazi Germany's annexation of the Sudetenland. Mr Bildt, a veteran of the diplomatic realities of the wars in Bosnia and Kosovo, could only shrug in the fierce Georgian sun, look across to the French jet waiting to take off, then turn away for his own mission. He already told me on the plane that the diplomatic challenge to restrain Russian intentions was "immense in every respect". The widespread diplomatic concern in the EU and Nato is that after South Ossetia and probably Abkhazia, next Moscow will have its eyes set on the Crimea region of Ukraine and then Ukraine itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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