Doubts-cast-on-warmest-decade

[kamui]

10' date='000 years ago the ice caps were much larger than they are now. Apparently 30,000 years ago they were twice the size. Change is the way of the world.[/quote']

 

By way of information: I was listening to a Scientist describe work being done on ice cores in Greenland. Apparently the last ice age finished 11,700 years ago and began about 110,000 years ago. We are 11,700 years since the last one, slightly overdue for the next one.

 

And the alarmists will say...

 

"See, if it weren't for natural climate variability cooling things down, Man would have cooked the world with global warming."

 

Translated as: Anthrogenic warming has got f all to do with anything.

 

Cheers

 

Coss

 

An interesting question is how fast climate has changed before?

The current climate change seems to need less than 200 years, as we are already experiencing in Europe...

[unit731]

Most are just blowing smoke in this discussion.

 

 

 

[ThaiHome]

Your photos are a typical strawman that people use in defense of the manmade climate change, though in fact, they actually make the point on what is the problem with the climate change alarmists. Nothing that they propose or was discussed in Copenhagen addresses places like these. It is important to realize that CO2 is colorless, odorless gas and contributes nothing to the horrible local pollution problem in your photos. The pollution you see here in probably mostly sulfur dioxide and soot from burning low quality coal which can be easily fixed. In the US, sulfur dioxide emissions have been cut almost in half over the past 40 years, mostly due to EPC regulations that pinpointed the problem and are strictly enforced. The climate change alarmists are actually taking the attention and the money from places like these in order to progress their self serving agendas.

TH

[unit731]

The climate change alarmists are actually taking the attention and the money from places like these in order to progress their self serving agendas.

TH

 

Well, then, let's just put aside those 'self serving alarmists' and just view the planet as it is today.

 

 

Fact or fiction.

 

Enough said !

[ThaiHome]

We seem to be going in circles here. I ask where is the proof climate change is manmade, you post a picture of a horrific local pollution problem, I point out that this is a local problem, having nothing to do with CO2 emissions and global climate change, then you post another satellite photo showing that the polar ice cap has shrunk of over some infinitely small geological time period.

Look, nobody doubts that the earth’s climate changes, it has done so for billions of years now and will continue to do so. What cannot be proved is that anything man has done has had any significant impact. This is why people “believe†in manmade climate change and it more religion then a scientific theory.

TH

[shygye]

What do you consider as proof?

[Flashermac]

I vaguely recall hearing about the London killer smog, caused by soft coal.

[unit731]

Did the Romans construct Hadrian's Wall?

Where is the proof?

 

Did the Russians send the first man into space?

Where's the proof?

 

Did the USA send the first man to the moon?

Where's the proof?

 

Circle or linear thought. It all adds up.

 

And even if the naysayers are correct, isn't the air and water cleaner if mankind cleans up all the polluters?

 

So the whole argument is a moot point.

 

Clean up the freakin' mess !

[unit731]

Here's more:

 

"Outdoor Wood-Burning Furnace Ban Sought

By George Gombossy | Dec 9, 2009

Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal today called on the General Assembly to ban outdoor wood-burning furnaces, which he claims “continuously emit toxic smoke that sickens neighbors and pollutes neighborhoods.â€Â

 

The American Lung Association and Environment and Human Health, Inc. (EHHI), a nonprofit health advocacy group, joined Blumenthal in urging the legislature to impose a statewide prohibition on the furnaces.

 

Three Connecticut towns  Granby, Hebron and Tolland  have already banned outdoor wood-burning furnaces. Washington state also prohibits the devices.

 

Blumenthal said, “Outdoor wood-burning furnaces spew toxic smoke 24 hours a day, seven days a week, sickening neighbors and contaminating neighborhoods. A ban is necessary unless and until these furnaces are completely redesigned  to stop their toxic impacts. Outdoor wood furnaces emit the same toxins and carcinogens as cigarettes. The smoke particles are so fine that they infest even the tightest houses and strongest lungs, contaminating bodies and homes."

 

But it is still OK to use an indoor wood burning fireplace or indoor wood stove !

 

 

There is a little madness out there !

[ThaiHome]

You continue to mix the issue of man made climate change and local pollution problems. Until you take the time to understand the difference, there is not much sense in continuing the discussion.

TH