Old Hippie Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 You'll get no argument from me on this issue...to me, I buy it, it is mine, I will do what I want with it. Those who make their money in this field will cry foul, but they will still make money...despite all the self righteous bullshit from some on this board, or other boards, there is no one here who has not, at some time in their life, copied a CD or LP or what ever for free, or used pirated software...so they can all can the crap. My point here is this, so much media is "passed along" with no royalty paid, that I feel the soft ware market has no right to claim exclusivity on this...the field is either level, and the same rules exist for all media, or they don't. I currently, unlike SOME of the self righteous here, use NO illegal software. Yes, I had the Phanthip copy of photoshop CS 2, liked it so much I bought the legal student copy. What I object to, is that despite paying for it, Adobe still feels they have a right to tell me how I can use it, and who I can let use it. Technically, according to Adobe, it is illegal for me to let someone else use it, even on my my computer...at some point, the bullshit is just over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 Hi, OH, the issue with software (and other things that are copied) is that the original buyer more often than not does NOT get rid of his version. You seem to confuse pirating with licensing. I agree that you should be allowed to transfer licenses (which should be seen more as a rental fee than ownership) along with the software product itself. Piracy however is just plain theft (and yes, I am definitely guilty of it myself ) Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCorinthian Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 I am guilty of it too, but not by much as there is not much pirated software for the mac to begin with. Puss, we get a lot of what basic stuff you need via license to the US.Gov. That said, the answer to OH question about the law is found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement And it goes back to the 1500s! So it is not something new at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Hi, OH, the issue with software (and other things that are copied) is that the original buyer more often than not does NOT get rid of his version. You seem to confuse pirating with licensing. I agree that you should be allowed to transfer licenses (which should be seen more as a rental fee than ownership) along with the software product itself. Piracy however is just plain theft (and yes, I am definitely guilty of it myself ) Sanuk! No, I have the line between licensing and stealing down pat. "Intellectual property" laws are what I don't get. As they differ with each type of media. If you read the licensing agreements (takes a week++) for some of the Adobe products, it is technically illegal for you let someone else use it, even if it is on your computer! A local high school got in deep over it, so did a local camera shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Hi, So you are arguing a totally different issue than the one in the original post which was about torrent sites hosting illegal media (movies, music, software, etc.) Agree with you on the issue of some of those licensing agreements. Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Yes, I am basically trying to say that the laws the protect software should also protect other media...I don't think it is right to just pick and choose what can be considered "intellectual property." Regarding bit torrents and file sharing, is there really a difference if 100 people watch a hard DVD, or see it on line...? assuming only 1 copy was ever purchased. Somewhere, the line gets vague. Off hand, do you know if a video rental shop pays royalties on each rental? or do they buy a special "commercial use" version? Because if the shop only buys it one time, and then rents it out, and eventually sells the DVD/video, how is tht different than someone sharing the video for free? This issue can be debated for ever...I have a head ache, back to looking at porn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCorinthian Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Off hand, do you know if a video rental shop pays royalties on each rental? or do they buy a special "commercial use" version? Because if the shop only buys it one time, and then rents it out, and eventually sells the DVD/video, how is tht different than someone sharing the video for free? This issue can be debated for ever...I have a head ache, back to looking at porn... Back a long time ago I worked for Block Buster. They had an agreement with the studios and they got a cut. About $0.25 a video rental in 1987 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 OK. Thanks. Not sure how common it is, but many of the libraries here loan out DVDs and CDs as well as books. Usually classical type stuff. I am just wondering what deals they have with the studios? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun_Kong Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Hi, ... the original post which was about torrent sites hosting illegal media (movies, music, software, etc.)... Gotta disagree with you here. The OP focused on ICE seizing and shutting sites for which there was ZERO evidence of "hosting illegal media (movies, music, software, etc." and for which there was ZERO due process. Chippin' away at our rights. But now we are all safer from terrorists, no doubt. Fuckwads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCorinthian Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Gotta disagree with you here. The OP focused on ICE seizing and shutting sites for which there was ZERO evidence of "hosting illegal media (movies, music, software, etc." and for which there was ZERO due process. How do you see that? It seems to me the evidence is pretty clear cut. You notice how none of the sites has even fought it yet, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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