Old Hippie Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 My friend the Chuli girl has claimed to see a ghost roaming around her families condo off of Rama IV. She has no knowledge of any death there, but still she and her family are convinced of a ghost. I told her to make friends with it. Which she didn't find to funny. I asked why they stay there, and she explained it just an investment property, where they stay only on occassion, so they weren't to worried. She also says they only see it occassionally, and it doesn't bother them, so no problem. It took me awhile before I realized she was serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Robbieboy: About eight or nine years ago I was staying in a condo in Pattaya and the cleaner was a young man who worked in one of the hotels as a room boy. He used to arrive at my room at around 6.00pm after working in the hotel. One afternoon he arrived in a rather agitated state due to a happening at his work place. Apparently, a farang guest was found dead in his bed. He had arrived the previous night with a Thai boy who had slept with him. In the morning the Thai boy could not wake his friend and discovered he was cold. The Thai boy was hysterical when he discovered that he had spent the night in bed with a corpse. None of the Thai staff would enter the room after the body had been removed, and my cleaner, I don't remember his name, was made to clean the room and change the bed linen. He was absolutely terrified of entering the room because of the evil spirits that would inhabit the room thereafter. I had never realised just how superstitious the Thais were. From all accounts the bf of the deceased farang was in a very bad way, and the episode had left its mark on all of the staff. Unfortunately, I thought the affair was quite hilarious, and found it impossible to contain my laughter. The poor cleaner was not amused at my reaction. For days afterwards I had this vision of the Thai guy waking to find a corpse in his bed and screaming hysterically. Since the unfortunate farang was already "stiff" I wonder if his Thai bf tried to wake him with a blow job? No need for viagra there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 it would be interesting to know how many westerners are subjective to para-normal events. OUr daily life has become too materialistic to pay attention at home, but it's a fact that alot of animist-based societies (which thais revert easily into) still carry a lot of superstitions, and their people don't have that individualistic streak we all have where we just acquire a strong self and learn how to "deal" with things and go on with our life. Sometimes, we may miss out on something though, but I am more and more convinced that the big difference between western civ. and others is that we believe in ourselves, in man's will, and eastern people (africans too) believe in an order of things outside of the realm of their own self or mankind, allkind of orders: society and family to religion. you don't really fight or question such order but if necessary tries to placate it, petition it, and mainly learns your place in it. In that sense, superstition helps you deal with stuff you never were taught to comprehend or rationalize, because it's outside of your power. INA (in a nutshell) [ November 21, 2001: Message edited by: pattaya127 ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarisin Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Peter G: .Lek claims her psychic ability means she never picks up a bad man,I'll have to introduce her to Sarisin! Lek may make all or most of it up but she is very convincing, and even if none of it is true she is a great story teller.-peter Thanks Peter, just what I need a Thermae psychic doubleheader. Maybe she could look into the future and figure out which one of them comes first and how much I pay them. I'm sure the subject of one of the most famous Thai movies, 'Ngam Nark' has come up here before. Just mention this movie to a Thai girl and watch them shiver. Also, last night at the movies my friend and I enjoyed the coming attractions for what looks like another Thai scary movie hoot. I forget the Thai name of the movie, but the English name is, get this: 'Body Jumper.' Any additional comments on this board I think are unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 A couple of trips back I bar fined an Ago go girl (not one of my regulars, more of an impulse buy) in Pattaya who was a bit concerned about staying in my room at the Royal Garden. I had to enter first, turn the lights on etc, figured she though there might be a group of guys waiting to jump her. She didn?t want to stay and was a bit uneasy but did end up giving me an excellent roll in the sheets before departing. I found out later, via email, she felt there were spirits in the room and was afraid to stay there, kind of the Thai version of ?I see dead people? Again, I figured she just wanted outta there? maybe head back to her boyfriend a bit earlier in the eve. Well on my most recent trip, my holiday, a good friend of mine ended up with that exact room. His BG for a few evenings expressed the same concerns over the same room, saying there were spirits there. Who knows? I?ve never had a problem with BG?s staying there in any of the other rooms; most seem to fear the additional guest fee more than anything else (I?ve never had to pay it). But that room seems to have some kind of stigma tied to it? Any else experience anything like that? I must admit the room did make a few odd noises, but I honestly believe they came from the refrigerator being pushed up against the wall, and the vent for the AC system. But TG?s are quite superstitious indeed, my friends BG kept asking if I believe in such things, which for me is a bit tough to say for sure. Hawaii is steeped in legend and supernatural related stories; Hawaiians are very superstitious as well. So, being raised in Hawaii, I don?t doubt anything, and don?t dispute all that the girls are saying. If they believe, that?s good enough for me. As long as it doesn?t effect the boom-boom, and I get my rocks off!!! Nakbin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 There is a wat just off Sukhumvit which has the house of Ngam Nak, the bar girls go there to make her spirit a promise that if they get what they ask her for, they will reward the spirit of Ngam Nak. The shrine has all sorts of stuff,mostly clothes hanging around it. I whispered the name into a girls ear once when it was lights out,the girl went crazy and we had to spend the rest of the night with all the lights on. Good idea to take a girl to see a ghost movie they won't want to short time you half way through the night after.-peter quote: I'm sure the subject of one of the most famous Thai movies, 'Ngam Nark' has come up here before. Just mention this movie to a Thai girl and watch them shiver. Also, last night at the movies my friend and I enjoyed the coming attractions for what looks like another Thai scary movie hoot. I forget the Thai name of the movie, but the English name is, get this: 'Body Jumper.' Any additional comments on this board I think are unnecessary.[/QB] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 Hi, "I archived the posts from the old Delphi board, but I am hesitant to repost them here because of their length, about 9 pages in MS Word." When you say 'posts', do you mean you have the entire thread? If so, maybe just posting the story would be sufficient. That should probably be quite a bit smaller than 9 pages. Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 Hi, Here's a little excerpt from an article on superstition which will be on the new site. Sanuk! PS Does anybody know how the Ngarn Ngak story ends? ----------------------------- Thailand is riddled with ghosts and spirits, or "phii" (rising tone), some are good, some are bad. Some of these ghosts are the souls of death people which have not yet passed to the afterlife, but often 'phii' will refer to what we in the West may call spirits. These spirits are more unique entities, rather than the 'remains' of people, and are usually associated with something, a tree, a rock, an animal, etc. For example, "phii khluay taa nii" is a spirit of a beautiful woman in a Thai dress that lives inside a banana tree and who comes out at night. Men seeing her will run over to hug her, but she runs back into the tree and the guy ends up hugging the tree. Also, when nature calls and there is no alternative to using the countryside, try avoiding the old, big trees. Apologize to the spirit and explain that 'you are sorry, but that there is no alternative'. Not all the spirits are so benevolent though; "phii pop" are evil spirits who live among the people. During the day, they seem like a normal person, but at night they go in search of food (they are said to love chicken). While out searching their body stays in bed, but they take their head with them. They tend to avoid people, but may use clothes that are outside to wipe the blood of their mouth. If a person would boil this cloth, the spirit will come running over because it hurts their stomach. They will then do anything you want to make you stop boiling the cloth. Another ghost is refered to as the "widow ghost". She supposedly searches for a husband and sometimes takes men while they are sleeping. When men die in there sleep it is sometimes attributed to this widow ghost taking them. To fool the ghost, men who have been scared by a suspicious death, may resort to disguising themselves as women. Nowadays these kinds of spirits, both good and evil, are not really common anymore, certainly not in the cities. Ghosts of dead people are more still very common though. It takes 3 days before a person knows he is dead. The ghost will then return home to collect the clothes and other personal belongings he needs for the afterlife. They will also talk to the living, but the living can neither see nor hear them. Dogs, on the other hand, are said to be able to see them and it is said that when a dog howls he is seeing ghosts. These ghosts are almost always benign. A very famous example of a ghost returning to the living is the story of Ngarn Ngak. Ngarn Ngak is the ghost of a woman who died while her husband was away fighting a war. Upon his return she continues taking care of him, her husband does not know. Other people however do, and they try to tell him, but she scares away all of them. Her body is said to be laid to rest at Wat Mahabut, in Prakanong, Bangkok, and it attracts a lot of visitors every day. Whenever a house is build, the spirits of the land are disturbed, so a spirithouse is build for them, in an attempt to pacify the spirits so they will not haunt the house. Spirithouses are shrines in the shapes of houses, and may contain figurines. Regular offers of incense, fruit, water, garlands, etc. are made to the spirits to please them and guarantee the safety of the house. These spirithouses are very common, and just about every house/office has one. A very famous spirithouse is the one next to the Grand Hyatt Erewan. During the building of the hotel, there were a lot of accidents and other setbacks, so a monk was called in. He said that a spirithouse was required to please the spirits in the area. After it was build, the accidents stopped and work continued on schedule. The spirithouse, called the Erewan Shrine, has since become very busy, attracting worshippers from all over the city. Spirithouses aren't the only form of evidence of superstition though, many of the Thai-style buildings have two "gah-lae" sticking out of the roof (the wing-like decorations). These "gah-lae" are meant to ward off evil spirits. Little mirrors, usually decorated with various symbols, serve the same purpose, but I think this is more a Chinese custom than a Thai one. ----------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 Apart from her dead mate being with her every night at thermae, mystic Lek's most recent encounter was in June. She lives off Sukhumvit and gets a taxi to and from work.Standing on her own one night in June waiting for a cab to take her to thermae, she became aware of a figure standing on the pavement about 12 feet away. She said she could sense the woman was not real, she said even though she was used to seeing things her legs started to shake with fear.The woman turned her head and Lek swears her eyes were just white with no pupils.Lek jumped in a cab quite soon and she asked the driver what he thought of the woman,but he said he could not see anyone. That night Lek struck out and got a taxi home around 5a.m.. As her cab slowed down it reached the spot where the figure had been standing,then the engine cut out.Lek said the driver was really pissed off as the cab had been serviced two days before.She says the woman died in a road accident.Makes a change from the usual bar girl stories-peter quote: Originally posted by iono: With people committing suicide and many a supposed farang heart attack. Has anyone ever experienced any evil spirits or had a superstitious girl freaking out because of the room being haunted. (I'm asking because I'm usually to drunk to notice). Got any stories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thai3 Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 from thaifolk.com -peter It is believed by Thai people that “Phi Tai Hong” is the most horrible ghost, especially the person died by accident. A woman died with a baby in her womb can give the people extremely horrible and exciting feeling. The ghost called ”Nang Nak Phrakhanong” popularly narrated by people until the present is an example. It was narrated by villagers in Phrakhanong district that, near the canal which was next to Mahabus temple, there was a garden belonging to a rich man called “ Phoo Yai Suk” , the leader of village. At the end of the garden, the way to the temple, there was a small house which was far from people. A couple of husband and wife lived there. The husband named Tid Mak was a man in Klong-Toey district. The wife was called Mae Nak who was a beautiful woman in Phrakhanong district. Even though, they worked in the garden and poor, they loved each other very much. Tid Mak was sent to be a soldier during Mae Nak was pregnant. Tid Mak could, at first time, come back to visit his wife. Later on, he was sent to join army in the north of Thailand for months. The army finished after Mae Nak ‘s baby had been born for two months. When Tid Mak came back from army, he, near the night time , took a boat to Wat Mahabut’s port to see Mae Nak suddenly. That night was Wan Phra’s night,15 Khum (full moon shine). The moon’s light was enough for him to find the way to his house. When he arrived at his house, he called Mae Nak and saw her with a baby. He was very glad and hurriedly went to her. Then he had a little bit shock when touching the unusual-cool and thin wife’s body, also the baby. Mae Nak brought him favorite food as if she knew her husband was hungry. While a little bit eating, cool wind coming touched him and made him felt cold and a spoon fell down the ground floor. Suddenly, Mae Nak could lengthen her hand to keep it. When Tid Mak wondered, she cried and told him she already died. When the baby heard her mother talking, he ran to her mother and jump to a beam, which is under the roof to show his father. Suddenly, Tid Mak knew his wife and baby were ghosts, he hurriedly ran out to his sister’s house, her name was Wan, while the lamp’s light did not work anymore. After that, Nang Nak followed and called him. Tid Oum protected him by spreading the holy water around the house and asked her to go. Mae Nak extremely horrified the villagers because she was buried under trees called “Ta Khian Khoo”. Before Tid Mak arrived at his house, she went to ask food from a young monk. While lengthening her hand to him, her hand was cut by a monk’s holy knife. An old monk took him to Kuti, the place for him surrounded by leaves of tree called “ Bai Nad” and slept near him. Nevertheless, he was killed by Mae Nak. It was rumoured that Nang Nak with her baby always gave extremely horrible feeling to the villagers, travelers and monks. Men often got the horrible feelings from her and ran out when they knew a beautiful lady coming to them became Mae Nak. Tid Mak could not go to the other place because he was always followed by Mae Nak. Finally, Mae Nak’s soul and her baby was defeated by Mor Phi (exorcist). He put her and her baby into a pot and threw it into the water. Tid Mak donated her some food through a monk. After that, she disappeared. By the way, Mae Nak Phrakhanong was legendary narrated until the film called “Mae Nak Phrakhanong” is made for the public. quote: Originally posted by Khun Sanuk: Hi, Here's a little excerpt from an article on superstition which will be on the new site. Sanuk! PS Does anybody know how the Ngarn Ngak story ends? ----------------------------- ----------------------------- [ November 22, 2001: Message edited by: Peter G ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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