Guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 >>>Anyway, that imo, is a very small price to pay to experience and enjoy her youth which has a special charm and makes me feel younger as well. It's that wilting flower thing again. I guess I just prefer the flowers that are in their prime. <<< well, you enjoy their youth. but what do they enjoy apart from the money? that would be perfectly OK in a P4P situation, but you said in your initial post that you see "the ultimate price" if you could find such a wife. you would definately given the economical pressures, but there are very few women indeed who would be genuinly happy with a man 25 years her senior, and very few men who can make such a younger women genuinly happy. basically, for me such a need based relationship would not be enough for me. too many of them naturally, and understandably, will at some point look for satisfaction and company with their own agegroup. and concerning maturity, that is not just expressed in talking about cultural stuff, but concerns the whole outlook on life in general. of course coming to this third world place here one can keep the illusion about all those stereotypes such as thai women are different because they prefer older men. just, if you live here for a while in a relationship you will see that in this aspect girls here are no different than girls from the west. >>>and makes me feel younger as well.<<< what is that thing about having to feel younger? i am as old as i am, and i am rather compfortable with my age. youth won't come back, and it is the most useless thing to fight that lost fight. it's a lot less effort to start feeling comfortable with whatever age you are. i dunno, maybe i have lived a bit too long here, but in some aspects i am enjoying the things which do come with not being a young dick anymore. i do enjoy that i won't get a stiffy anymore as soon as the wind blows, i have time now to take care of other things. i do enyoy that i get a bit of respect and don't have to get into stupid fights anymore with some agressive arseholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 >>>Oh my god I'm so depressed, after many years of leading a lifestyle envied by 70% of post pubescent males who don't have the opportunity or means to emlulate it, <<< well, then count me to the thirty percent. i have no envy for people who with the help of viagra can be playboys in bangkok's bars, on the contrary, i think it's really sad. there is a time for everything in life, screwing everything that moves is good when you are twenty something. but it is sad if people cannot find something more suitable in their lives when the get older. recently i have seen a really good movie which somehow deals with that topic: "autofocus". have a look... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My Cow Jai Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 "I mean, why is there so much label tagging... , pitying these poor sad fucks who do the same thing as he does..." Amen. Also, sneering expats who condescend regular tourists. Everyone is a newbie at one time. GTG's...? May not be quite as "good" as you think. According to Rattanawannatip (quoted in C. Odzer's book, PP Sisters), in 1988, some 15-25% of all Thai women aged between 15 and 30 are involved with some kind of P4P. :: If true, there's an awful lot of "GTG's" out there who have disclosed their "lable" incorrectly to their unwitting boyfriends...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mongatu Posted September 28, 2003 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 Says flyonzewall: . . . but there are very few women indeed who would be genuinly happy with a man 25 years her senior, and very few men who can make such a younger women genuinly happy. . . . I don't disagree with this. I am looking for one of those "very few" and I think/hope I am one of those very few men. . . . what do they enjoy apart from the money? If I thought it was only about the money on her part, it wouldn't work for me long term. Again, I'm looking for one of the very few. . . . concerning maturity, that is not just expressed in talking about cultural stuff, but concerns the whole outlook on life in general. Completely agree on this one. That is what I meant as well. of course coming to this third world place here one can keep the illusion about all those stereotypes such as thai women are different because they prefer older men. just, if you live here for a while in a relationship you will see that in this aspect girls here are no different than girls from the west. I'll have to get back to you on this one after I have lived in LOS for a significant period of time in a relationship. For the moment though, I'll just observe that while it may be rare, even in the west one does occaisionally see happy couples with big age differences (well, maybe not quite 25 years, but 15 or so) where the relationship is not completely or primarily about the money. Anyway, maybe I am a naive romantic, but I believe that for some tgs involved with older men, even if initially the money thing is a big part of the attraction for them, it is possible for that to change and for true love to develop over time for some. what is that thing about having to feel younger? i am as old as i am, and i am rather compfortable with my age. youth won't come back, and it is the most useless thing to fight that lost fight. it's a lot less effort to start feeling comfortable with whatever age you are. It's not about "having" to feel younger, but I am one of those who believes you are as old as you feel. I'm pretty comfortable with who, what, and where I am in life and I appreciate the experience (dare I say wisdom) I have acquired thus far in life. Nevertheless, I'm not just surrendering to the ravages of time without putting up a little bit of a fight (a delaying action, one might say). For example, I try to do what is necessary to stay fit for the simple reason that I like the way it feels. Which also is part of the answer to your rhetorical question about youth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pe7e Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 [color:"blue"] * but it is sad if people cannot find something more suitable in their lives when the get older. [/color] Whilst I wouldn't totally disagree with you on this point, at the moment my lifestyle suits me just fine, I require neither sympathy, approval or viagara. I reserve my condolences for those poor unfortunate souls who, and for whatever reason, have grown old before their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 >>>Anyway, maybe I am a naive romantic, but I believe that for some tgs involved with older men, even if initially the money thing is a big part of the attraction for them, it is possible for that to change and for true love to develop over time for some. <<< fair enough. i hope it will work out for you, and whatever girl you might meet. and i hope that if it doesn't you won't turn into a bitter cynic as many initially naive romantics do tend to do here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 I think one person could write a supporting argument of a loser and the other guy writes a story about living a dream and neither one would be wrong. It is simlilar to a football game where one play can determine the outcome of the game yet the writer can write two very different stories about the game neither one being wrong. He submits the one where the one play determines the outcome..... Cardinalblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 some 15-25% of all Thai women aged between 15 and 30 are involved with some kind of P4P The same is true for farang women!!! Just as an example: What has a girl to pay for 2 weeks holiday in Ibiza? The flight ticket! Because once there she can stay in the hotel rooms of the current lover, she is invited to the best VP parties and so on. (There was a TV show about that) Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 "Pity the fool that cannot attract a woman in his homeland and has to travel across the globe to marry one. " I am definitely a looser. Then this phrase describes my situation very well. Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted September 28, 2003 Report Share Posted September 28, 2003 i do enjoy that i won't get a stiffy anymore as soon as the wind blows, i have time now to take care of other things. -------------- But, :: Fly!!!! you are still in your 30s............ :: It all depends on the directions one's life has taken. You played hard 10 years ago, been there, done that, but others may discover "sanook" at 40 or 50. So, the only difference is that some are young and do the stuff young people do, and some are older, and finally get to do what for some reason, they could not do earlier, hence the expression "feel young again", which i do not see as a denial of one's age, but a celebration of life's ability to spring again (litterally). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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