jasmine Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 [color:"red"]I believe in universal standards (for example human rights). And you Jasmine? [/color] I do believe that certain things should be universal. However, culture and customs play big parts in making people different. One country standards cannot be used as other's, IMO. There are times that I feel becuase of this so-called "universal standards" are pushed too far and because of it, we do have conflicts in the world. If we can respect other beliefs and culture, perhaps, we can try to understand other people better and try to convince instead of acting like a cow-boy to get things "my ways", we can communicate better, and that is IMO from a dreamer like me. Jasmine :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmine Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 [color:"red"] you should have a look into the interdependency theories in buddhism. nothing is one by oneself. [/color] Very good statement my friend. I do believe also that we all need each other and all things have causes and effects. Sometimes things are a bit beyond me to understand and I just let them go without understnading but I still do believe that ther has got to be a reason. Jasmine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasmine Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 [color:"red"] (They might influence you, depending how near of "nirvana" you are). [/color] Naiv, You are WAY over my humble brain and head. Jasmine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiLuk Posted December 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 Perhaps Mr Farang mentioned is not really in the high echelon in self as thought, why choosing such Thais from "low" echelon then, perhaps to fullfill the "inner" needs? This is the heart of the matter. Many farang (and thais) would avoid tgs from the 'lower' end of the social scale, but Mr Farang does the opposite so what is wrong with him. People with Western theories must be cautious in judging other people with their standards. I would say maslow's theory is almost the opposite of eastern thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiLuk Posted December 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 If Mr Farang just barfines her, goes ST/LT, then moves on, clearly this is irrelevant to his position on his pyramid. Whether he is higher or lower than level 3 doesn't matter, as it's not a "love/belonging" related action. If she becomes his GF, then it is. My sense of level 3 on the pyramid is that if one feels entirely loved and accepted and has a role in some important 'group', whether its family, the neighborhood or the tribe, then the needs of love and belonging have been met. If one is alienated or feels outside the group, then a need to belong and be loved becomes the burning focus of his/her life. The pursuit of that need, tho the pursuit itself is not readily apparent to the individual doing the pursuing, precludes the possibility of actualization. I'm not married to maslow's pyramid but i'll defend his theory for awhile. A person who is an absolute loner can achieve actualization, but only if he met his need to be completely accepted by whatever group was important to him in the past. Once he achieved that sense of belonging his psyche developed in such a way that he no longer equates his self worth on whether he is accepted by the current group. He has moved to the next step. The need represented by this step should not be underestimated. For most of human evolution, being outside the group meant certain death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaiLuk Posted December 16, 2003 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 But, I do live with an ex-bg since two years and for sure, we are at different levels in Maslow's pyramid, so what??? Surprised you think you and she are at a different level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvarpala Posted December 16, 2003 Report Share Posted December 16, 2003 MaiLuk said: My sense of level 3 on the pyramid is that if one feels entirely loved and accepted and has a role in some important 'group', whether its family, the neighborhood or the tribe, then the needs of love and belonging have been met. If one is alienated or feels outside the group, then a need to belong and be loved becomes the burning focus of his/her life. The pursuit of that need, tho the pursuit itself is not readily apparent to the individual doing the pursuing, precludes the possibility of actualization. An excellent explanation - this is spot on! The Thai / Farang thing is not the point here, it's the relationship that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thalenoi Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 MaiLuk said: But, I do live with an ex-bg since two years and for sure, we are at different levels in Maslow's pyramid, so what??? Surprised you think you and she are at a different level... Good point you make Mailuk. I don't care much for housing, food or money, I have no need to "own" a house, she does have these basic needs, but we do define and work for happiness at levels 4 and 5 of dear Maslov. This "I want a house" thing unnerves me quite often at times... I would say her concerns are broader on Maslov's scale :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 this so-called "universal standards" are pushed too far I agree with you. Not every standard called "universal" is really universal. But I believe that there are universal standards (which are complicated and networked enough to take into account any cultural or other differences). Best regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shygye Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 [color:"green"] But I believe that there are universal standards ... [/color] Like ISO 9000, ISO 9001, ISO 9002, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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