20,000 baht a month...

[pattaya127]

schools that don't exist (as stick pointed out)

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Says who? Stick may have experience about BKK english schools, but I doubt he knows Korat, quite a large place, and speaking knowledgeably by doing a "quick check" on it. I am actually wondering about his "quick check" method. Internet? one phone call? If we are talking about a whole trimester or semester of english courses, made in a private and specialised school, why is 6000 bahts so expensive?

[pattaya127]

Maybe someone should have warned these guys years ago.

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I'd be surprised if Stick has saved or destroyed a lot of RT. Once a guy is into a RT with a BG, My experience is that he listens to no one but himself...and the girl, of course.

[Guest]

>>>And in saying this, I am not just talking about farang/BG situations. Relationships like this happen all over the world. <<<

 

 

well, of course they happen all over the world. and i think that all over the world something like this is very sad and fucked up. you can't buy love.

i would rather be alone and pay for the occasional sex, than being in a "relationship" based on material terms.

[pattaya127]

which i think is fucking sad.

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Or fucking nice.... IMO, all these discussions are done by people who are prejudging too much on others they don't even know: He sends money, therefore he is..... (and idiot, says Oran for ex.) she is a BG, therefore she is....... (scheming on lining her pockets). fact is, very few of us are not helping financially our TGF/wives or mia nois much more than they do us, or even on equal terms. It's the nature of the beast.

 

To claim that doing so is justified if you are married, or see your TGF/mia noi every day or week, and not justified if you see her once a trip, is splitting hairs in 4. 95% of farangs in a RT, great or mediocre, are making their other half live better thanks to their generosity. That's all. Frankly, that the girl is a student, a wife or a BG, makes no big difference. We're the farangs and we "help" or pay up, that's the price for playing the "i love you" game in Thailand. That's all....

[Guest]

i think you should read my initial post again. i have said nothing against sending money if one is able to. what i have said is about lopsided relationships based on money, and demands made on the partner.

 

 

>>>95% of farangs <<<

 

i really don't care what 95% of whoever does. i grew up with certain ideals, and they are still valid. my missus appearantly grew up with very similar ideas, so those kind of ideals do not seem to be just "western".

[Guest]

PTY,

 

"He sends money, therefore he is..... (and idiot, says Oran for ex.)".

I did place this in a context. There are certain condistions that apply before one is an idiot in my book.

 

And to Kwai..

I do agree with Fly. If money is the only factor that keep the relatinship together, than that relationship should be looked at carefully IMO.

Agree though that its still a relationship, albeit a fianancial one, similar to my relationships with my laywer, financial advisor etc. They'll provide the service as long as I keep settling the bills.

 

And the whole matter has very little to do with the certificate that states "marriage".

 

Lets make some simple examples.

1. you pay money for a BG to stay away from the bars, but she doesn't -> money not well spend

2. You pay money to a TG to continue her studies but she doesn't -> money not well spend.

3. You give an allowance to your wife, GF, Student anyone, doesn't metter who really so they can provide for themselves and they do -> money well spend. the amount is irrelevent and depend on the lifestyle requirements and the financial situation of the provider.

[khwaimaisabai]

flyonzewall said:

what i have said is about lopsided relationships based on money, and demands made on the partner.

Hi fly,

I am not going to get into an argument with you but you are making a lot of assumptions here.

I have no doubt there are relationships where it is more like a long term bar fine and payment for services rendered. If people are happy with that, then fine. I was talking about a relationship that involves love, respect and commitment from both sides, but has as an origin and stabilising factor a financial commitment from the guy to the lady. It is not "only" financial.

Imho, that is a stronger and more durable basis for a long term relationship that emotions and romantic notions of "love". This word means different things to different people anyway.

And, in case you're interested, I make NO demands of my GF, directly or indirectly. She has a great deal of freedom and is never pressured to do anything she does not want to do. Also, she gets my support for things she wants to do even if I don't agree with it.

Khwai

[Guest]

>>>I am not going to get into an argument with you but you are making a lot of assumptions here.<<<

 

 

assumptions? where?

i am only saying that this debate here is weird, as it so far appears to be only centering around financial aspects of "relationships".

 

 

 

>>>Imho, that is a stronger and more durable basis for a long term relationship that emotions and romantic notions of "love". <<<

 

me and the missus have been doing rather well on that base of a "strange notion of love" for the last ten years. we started with almost nothing financially, several times we went from having a good lifestyle to nothing and back again. and very possibly will do so again in the future. whatever problems had in our relationship were never money related.

that more "durable" basis of a material foundation you describe lasts only as long as either the money flow keeps going, or until someone with a better material supply comes along.

you may call that an assumption, but i have been here far too long and have seen far too many of those kind of relationships going down the drain. so i can assume with a certain level of experience.

 

 

 

>>>And, in case you're interested, I make NO demands of my GF, directly or indirectly.<<<

 

as i do not know neither you nor your girlfriend i do not assume anything about your relationship.

 

i simply stated my very subjective opinion of what i consider acceptable for me in a relationship, nothing else. i honestly have no idea why that triggered that rather semi agressive response from you.

[whosyourdaddy]

This is True

[cardinalblue]

I think money is involved in all relationships (BG, wife, GF, etc).

 

Where it differs is the type of relationship and when and how money is dealt with.

 

I do differiate between beginning a relationship with a BG and a regular one. The very nature of why the girl is working in the bar is primarily for money in exchange for services. I know many people don't like me to call it a "business relationship" but the evidence is just too overwhelming. Both parties accept it or else we wouldn't be having conversations like this thread.....

 

We are basically buying out the girl not to work in the bar anymore; similar to a company buying out a competitor so not to compete with their product. This is the nature of business...

 

A social relationship is not based on buying the girl not to do something but more towards equal footing (though not always) due to both parties have income from sources other than activities we judge from a moral standpoint.

 

Case in point. I met a girl a year ago working as a sales clerk. She made 6500B a month working 10 hours a day six days a week. Well, my own work schedule conflicted with hers so if a relationship developed, it would involve very little time together. 6500B is not a lot when weighed against time in a relationship. So i bought her out of her sales job.

 

Is this any different than buying a BG out from her activities? I would say "yes" from the standpoint is that we could have continued seeing each other without any moral objections on the table. It was "voluntary" on both our parts in an effort to improve the relationship.

 

The issue with a BG really is caused by the moral objective of what she does. For most, her continued working in the bar is unacceptable to having a so-called normal relationship. The money factor into the relationship, in fact, becomes mandatory (or does it?).

 

The girls realize it and some will use to leverage it to get more baht. She is playing her business card against his emotion. Not really an even playing field in both accounts? Others if she really cares about the guy will not use the "business" leverage that she has and will accept any monies he offers because she actually has an interest in a relationship. If she really cares so much for the guy, does it always have to be mandatory to put the girl on his payroll?

 

We seem to accept this business arrangement just like I felt it was important to our social relationship that i compensate for her to quit her job in order to free up time for me. Quite selfish of me I know but i viewed it as a win-win where she could either pursue further studies or work in a part-time situation.....

 

So money is involved in almost all relationships in some way; some originate from a business nature in hoping to get to a social one and others start from a social one. It just depends where both parties are on the spectrum......

 

Cardinalblue