Julian2 Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Hey drogon, I put a lot of work into being a cynic while trying to convince the Conservatives I'm really a socialist! Mr H641, you may have evidence of vote buying in the moo baans but in the 5 years I've lived in one I've never witnessed it. The TRT/PPP don't need to vote buy because they have the votes in the country. The country villagers see the new sporting complexes and community centers that come their way when Mr T's boys are running things and they're quite happy with that. My wife's family are minority Democrat voters and I've never heard them say they wuz robbed. Having said that, in the last election the Dems made inroads into the PPP majority locally (around Chiang Rai) as the the army sponsored media made sure that all corruption allegations were well aired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadfly Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 The TRT/PPP don't need to vote buy because they have the votes in the country.The country villagers see the new sporting complexes and community centers When TRT was first elected, Chris Baker made a very shrewd observation: the actual people serving as MPs changed very little pre and post Thaksin, and where there was change, the new MP was almost always related to the old MPs. Old wine in a new bottle. Having said that, to keep the local warlords happy and keep them in power and thus able to continue to support TRT, TRT/PPP had to promise to deliver something to the people of Issan and it did, in fact, deliver on at least part of its promise. This did made them different from the rest. TRT and PPP are still tremendously corrupt, but that is not exactly a distinguishing feature in Thailand. I am also not a Sondhi fan either. Nor a PAD fan. They keep moving the goal posts: "We will keep demonstrating until we get a censure vote!" "OK, now that we have a censure debate, we will keep demonstrating until Samak resigns" Come on. The middle class here aren't fools. I am seeing more negative commentary in the press about PAD and Sondhi from people who were clearly opposed to Thaksin. I just wonder how all of this will end. Hopefully with a whimper rather than a bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardy641 Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Actually your post is an excellent prove of what I wrote. I see you are living in Chiang Rai the home province of infamous YongyuthTiyapairat. It has been who has been caught bribing several village heads so they ensure their moo baans vote for the right party, isnâ??t it. The TRT/PPP don't need to vote buy because they have the votes in the country. The country villagers see the new sporting complexes and community centers that come their way when Mr T's boys are running things and they're quite happy with that. Exactly, Mr. T supported the province voting for him generously. Ask the people living in the southern provinces how many new sports centers, schools or other civil facilitiesâ?¦. In western style democracies it would be absolute unthinkable that a government officially only supports provinces that voted for them while barring funds for provinces that voted for the opposition. The one million village fund was another plot of Mr. T where he squandered billions of tax money to ensure his election. I am also aware that the democrats arenâ??t completely free of corruption but they hardly have the funds for bribes across the country. It has been Mr. T and his TRT that raised corruption to another level. He is the one who brought the political system (patriarch system) out of balance. In 2000 he offered all influential politicians huge amounts of cash, if joining his TRT. Thailand will only find peace, if disappears from the political landscape for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardy641 Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 While the tone and persistent of Figjam might be discussible he at least always directly refers to the points other s made and also includes some reasons in his responds. Not that all he posts is 100% true but at least he does some research and post links. Others just provoke, post some half-truths or refer to personal experiences, if discussing laws and regulations affecting all people. I never saw they take the time counter his points by posting reasons that are verifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koow Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 ahh, yes, exactly what "gadfly" would say (but gadfly would leave out the intentional typos). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGJAM Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 That may be right, but your style of posting is pissing people off. What pisses them off is the fact that they don't have (or, when pressed, quickly run out of) arguments to oppose mines and that I don't let them off the hook. Look at how quick Suadum, The_Munchmaster, Drogon and Teddy have been to post on this thread after I wrote that I was going to take a holiday from the board. The only content of their posts is ME, not my arguments and not the topic of the threads. Each of those posters have still to address all of my posts to them in the various threads of the last few days where I have been writing detailed point by point replies which they have regularly ignored YET they have the time and will to post about ME... It says it all, doesn't it? Anyway, I am really taking a (brief ) holiday so I won't answer the other IT posts which I were going to reply to but I will post a short reply to the OP: nobody can give you a definitive answer but IMO things are going to get more complicated and worse in the short term which is when you are going to TH. My advice would be, obviously, to monitor the situation and take a final decision at the latest possible time bearing in mind that depending on where you will be and will want to go if something major happens it might be difficult to get in and out of BKK and, depending on where you are, the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGJAM Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Not that all he posts is 100% true You're joking, right?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gadfly Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 True; my typos are all accidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGJAM Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 depending on where you will be and will want to go if something major happens it might be difficult to get in and out of BKK and, depending on where you are, the airport. To better clarify, they do block or restrict the passage on the main ways of transit in and out of BKK. For example, they have done it on the last PAD rally and on the last coup to try to limit the afflux of people, especially from the N and N-E on the occasion of the coup, coming to BKK to protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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