dean Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I am hoping that the public insurance option remains in the final bill because I don't trust insurance companies in setting rates without a viable option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 You know' date=' when GWB was doing really bad stuff, like getting us into a war without evidence, etc. youngfarang so nothing wrong with that. Even when the Patriotic got passed and more was added on to it, youngfarang so nothing wrong with that. Even when the USA pays the tab for Iraqi health care, he saw nothing wrong with that. But when it comes to do something for our own people, he claims that is terribly wrong. I can't figure the guy out, can you?[/quote'] The way the situation is being handled by the Obama administration is terrible.Rushing it through Congress and the Senate so no one can read it again. I guarantee you some congressman haven't even read the first page of the bill. I will tell you what is included in this bill because I am pretty sure you have no idea what is in it. "WHO'S COVERED: Around 94 percent of non-elderly residents (those not covered by Medicare, which kicks in at age 65) would be covered -- compared with 81 percent today. Nearly half of the 17 million non-elderly residents who remain uninsured would be illegal immigrants. COST: About $1.5 trillion over 10 years. HOW IT'S PAID FOR: Revenue-raisers include: $544 billion from a new income tax surcharge on single people making $280,000 a year and households making $350,000 and above; $37 billion in other tax adjustments. About $500 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. About $200 billion from penalties paid by individuals and employers who don't obtain coverage. REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS: Individuals must have insurance, enforced through tax penalty with hardship waivers. The penalty is 2.5 percent of income. REQUIREMENTS FOR EMPLOYERS: Employers must provide insurance to their employees or pay a penalty of 8 percent of payroll. Companies with payroll under $250,000 annually are exempt." http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth/policy/articles/a_look_at_the_house_democrats_health_bill.html?CMP=KNC-360I-GOOGLE-BULL&HBX_OU=50&HBX_PK=health_care_bill youngfarang, what cabbage plant where you hiding behind when the Patriotic was passed, and modified and renewed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 If it's not passed and signed by the end of the year, I think it gets passed extremely watered down. 2010 is an election year and no politician wants his or her election decided by a bill whose long term benefits won't be shown for years but the taxes start immediately. After the 2010 elections, I expect to see a substantial republican increase in both houses of congress, which would rule out true health care reform. By the way, when Bush won re-election in 2004, his top priority was passing a bill which would allow one to pay less into social security and more into an IRA. This may have posponed the enevitible crash by a few years but would have lost a lot of people a lot of money when the crash came. Given Bushes desire to use his political capital in 2004, I have never understood his choice of IRA' over health care reform. Well, the idea seems to have been to break the economy, and thus get us all dependent on the government to take care of us. We would then basically become the governments bitches, and we'd be happy for any scraps they threw us...oh wait, that is soc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngfarang Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 BTW YF, do you have any idea how much decent family coverage costs, and how much it has gone up in the last 10 years? Oh wait, DADDY is handling that part for you ... Your arguments have no substance, you have to bring up my "daddy". How cute. Grow up and act your old ass age. I will tell you what to do tonight. First take several viagra (you'll need it), go out to the nearest bar and get your grumpy ass laid. Does wonders for men, I don't know what it will do for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngfarang Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 You know' date=' when GWB was doing really bad stuff, like getting us into a war without evidence, etc. youngfarang so nothing wrong with that. Even when the Patriotic got passed and more was added on to it, youngfarang so nothing wrong with that. Even when the USA pays the tab for Iraqi health care, he saw nothing wrong with that. But when it comes to do something for our own people, he claims that is terribly wrong. I can't figure the guy out, can you?[/quote'] The way the situation is being handled by the Obama administration is terrible.Rushing it through Congress and the Senate so no one can read it again. I guarantee you some congressman haven't even read the first page of the bill. I will tell you what is included in this bill because I am pretty sure you have no idea what is in it. "WHO'S COVERED: Around 94 percent of non-elderly residents (those not covered by Medicare, which kicks in at age 65) would be covered -- compared with 81 percent today. Nearly half of the 17 million non-elderly residents who remain uninsured would be illegal immigrants. COST: About $1.5 trillion over 10 years. HOW IT'S PAID FOR: Revenue-raisers include: $544 billion from a new income tax surcharge on single people making $280,000 a year and households making $350,000 and above; $37 billion in other tax adjustments. About $500 billion in cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. About $200 billion from penalties paid by individuals and employers who don't obtain coverage. REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS: Individuals must have insurance, enforced through tax penalty with hardship waivers. The penalty is 2.5 percent of income. REQUIREMENTS FOR EMPLOYERS: Employers must provide insurance to their employees or pay a penalty of 8 percent of payroll. Companies with payroll under $250,000 annually are exempt." http://bulletin.aarp.org/yourhealth/policy/articles/a_look_at_the_house_democrats_health_bill.html?CMP=KNC-360I-GOOGLE-BULL&HBX_OU=50&HBX_PK=health_care_bill A few questions YF: (1) I agree that the process seems rushed, but as I am neither a senator nor a congressman, I have no idea if it actually is rushed, or if no one has time to read it. I would assume you are in the same boat. (1a) Many (myself included) would say that the previous administration did the same thing with the Patriot Act(s). Did you think those are being rushed as well? (2) What parts of the bill do you find "terrible"? Surely you do not make more than $280k per annum (unless french fry cooks are making more than I thought). (3) Given that you did not choose to respond to my earlier post, let me ask you again ... where did you get your figures for 50mm uninsured actually equals 8mm uninsured. Please do enlighten us. (4) If you are such a deficit hawk, than why did you not complain as loudly when the previous administration spent like a drunken sailor in their so-called war on terror? Personally, I have not decided if I am for or against the bill. It does feel rushed to me, and I do not sense that there is a strong mandate for cost reduction (thanks, no doubt, due to lobbying efforts by big pharma and the insurance industry). There will be a cost, and I for one am willing to pay my part for it, as the costs of doing nothing are even higher. I have never fully agreed with the Patriot Act. Show me in any of my previous posts where I say otherwise. What is so funny about this is I just posted what is going to be in the bill and you don;t even blink. Please reread and tell me your thoughts. I guess your memory is fading. Happens when you get older (and fatter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngfarang Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Also wondering how YF as learned so much and become so wise in his what 20-21 years under his daddy's arm...? Perhaps he will ask his daddy for an answer to out questions? But I do find it good that a privileged kid who pays taxes on his minimum wage job worries where the money goes. So my age is in question? How about when Obama was only senator for 5 months before starting his presidential campaign. 5 months!!! So apparently age/experience doesn't matter to you, or it only matters when it goes your way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rchapstick Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Somehow I am not surprised at your inability, YF, to engage in a serious discussion. Typical response from the weak minded ... when you do not have a good answer, go into personal attack mode. I and others have asked you relevant questions regarding your position. As per usual, you have failed to respond intelligently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngfarang Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Somehow I am not surprised at your inability, YF, to engage in a serious discussion. Typical response from the weak minded ... when you do not have a good answer, go into personal attack mode. I and others have asked you relevant questions regarding your position. As per usual, you have failed to respond intelligently. Personal attack??? Every post of yours is of you attacking me whether it me by age or political affiliation or my job. I just happen to be able to take a joke. Takes two to tango chap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Also wondering how YF as learned so much and become so wise in his what 20-21 years under his daddy's arm...? Perhaps he will ask his daddy for an answer to out questions? But I do find it good that a privileged kid who pays taxes on his minimum wage job worries where the money goes. So my age is in question? How about when Obama was only senator for 5 months before starting his presidential campaign. 5 months!!! So apparently age/experience doesn't matter to you' date=' or it only matters when it goes your way.[/quote'] If you remebered, I brought it up a lot that Conservatives, for their desire not to play fairly, might get this chap elected. As an example, how many Conservatives registered as Democrats so as to get Obama on the ticket? It seems you did that. So why are you so surprised at what is happening? Conservative creation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngfarang Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Also wondering how YF as learned so much and become so wise in his what 20-21 years under his daddy's arm...? Perhaps he will ask his daddy for an answer to out questions? But I do find it good that a privileged kid who pays taxes on his minimum wage job worries where the money goes. So my age is in question? How about when Obama was only senator for 5 months before starting his presidential campaign. 5 months!!! So apparently age/experience doesn't matter to you' date=' or it only matters when it goes your way.[/quote'] If you remebered, I brought it up a lot that Conservatives, for their desire not to play fairly, might get this chap elected. As an example, how many Conservatives registered as Democrats so as to get Obama on the ticket? It seems you did that. So why are you so surprised at what is happening? Conservative creation! You sound like a 3 year old "well if he can do it then I can do it!!" And why do you think I voted for Obama, or you just ass.u.me I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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