pattaya127 Posted April 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 You talked to several girls and came up with your impression. ------------------------------ Nope, and I challenge you to prove otherwise: in Pattaya, i do not have impression, I have experience and some say even: expertise. So you asked 2 girls. Stop asking, spend some time with them and their friends, hear what they say, do not ask questions, just hang around, do that for a few years, and come back to tell us. I can ask a Tg a question, the answers may be different according to the hour of the day. Thais hate questions, BGs even more, you should know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted April 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Scratch the surface of many, in any country & you'll get the same result.. ----------------------------------- nope, the conditions that make a BG not really curious to learn and educate herself are specifically thai, which is why we should discuss and argue on the merits of the subject itself (BG/TG too lazy to strive for better education, even if loaded with $$ sent from abroad), and leave other countries levels of ignorance alone. Once again, it's NanaP.com, not USAp.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 P127 >eat, sleep, screw and watch TV, sums it up for the majority of them. Oops, i forgot reading cartoons.... < On the surface of it that may appear rather a cynical view of Thai woman. But i can see whereyou're coming from. Still, maybe it is more characteristic of 'working class' women than Thai women in general. It was certainly true of "Nok" (Ex BG, Issaan rice farmer). Looking at it that way, it puts in perspective my growing unease towards the end of our time together. She was good at the 'looking after' where it concerned basic functions (eat, sleep, screw and watch TV), in fact exceptionally good. And as such, often easy to live with, not demanding. Not demanding I put the rubbish out, whether I picked up the wet towel from the bathroom floor, whether I'd done the dishes, etc. But, not challenging either, that is, intellectually challenging. No questions or discussions about "why is this happening? What happens outside Thailand? What really happens inside Thailand. Where are we?" ( Why worrry, this falang knows, he'll see to it we get where we want to be). In the end, it was that demonstration of difference that was the deathknoll for our realation. Not her fault, not mine, just plainly incompatible due to a huge culture gap, Thai- falang culture, class culture, education gap, gender gap, age gap, all of them, not just one of them. Any of you smart guys who are (like I used to be) convinced that "this one is different, this is going to work", think about it again. I would have very much liked it to work, and my brief (3 mths) trying to make it work was soaked in 'wishful thinking'. But it didn't, and objectively looking back, I understand why. I'm not saying it is impossible, just very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Says flyonzewall: india is a very different place. it has always been a culture where learning and scolars have always been held in the highest respect. but nevertheless, in india you have frightingly backward areas as well, huge areas which are in an perpetual civil war like bihar and parts of U.P If you are trying to make the point that Thai culture (or a modern-day perversion of it, no matter really) encourages the sort of intellectually lazy inward-thinking outlook P127 is describing, you are succeding wonderfully. As a side note Thailand has none of the strife you ascribe to India, and yet the behavior/outlook P127 talks about is still prevalent. so what further excuses can you come up with? PS Count me firmly in the camp of people who have been all over the world, interacted with a vast array of different sorts of people, and finds Thailand and its people to be, well, as P127 said already. My favorite comparison is not with India (one place I haven't been) but with China. There's just no comparing the level of societal energy and zeal to get ahead -- even among the bar girls in Shenzhen (Thailand loses). One interesting thing I have noticed is how my wife adapts once she realizes that outside of Thailand, Thai culture is pretty insignificant on the world scene. It contradicts everything they've ever been taught. Watching how someone copes with this tells a lot about their character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Says think_too_mut: As many on the board know, I "took care" of an ex-bg and sent her to school. HS will be completed this month, about an inch tick of certificates in English, computers, accounting... Rare but not impossible situation. In my mind and experience this is one absolutely critical indicator of whether a relationship between a farang and an BG or uneducated TG will work out. Namely, whether she can get excited about something 'productive' (define this in whatever way is meaningful to you and her) and take pride in accomplishing something. That something can be modest or it can be grandiose; the point is whether she can set goals and be passionate about pursuing them. For this is what helps separate someone who just needed the right opportunity in life vs. someone who will continually gravitate towards the sitting around/TV/sleeping/eating/fucking lifestyle. IMO a relationship with the former has merely the standard handicaps whereas the latter is certainly doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 >>>If you are trying to make the point that Thai culture (or a modern-day perversion of it, no matter really) encourages the sort of intellectually lazy inward-thinking outlook P127 is describing, you are succeding wonderfully.<<< no, i was trying to make a point of showing that life is a lot more complicated than simplifying things with very generalistic lay-psychologists statements like "they are all stupid" and similar ones backed on very limited personal experiences. i have also mentioned the ignorance of lots of westerners living here, but that might prove some other point as well, namely the point that thailand somehow seems to attract some of the lowest life forms of our home countries. >>>My favorite comparison is not with India (one place I haven't been) but with China. <<< well, you should go there and spend some time there. it's very interesting. >>>PS Count me firmly in the camp of people who have been all over the world, interacted with a vast array of different sorts of people, and finds Thailand and its people to be, well, as P127 said already.<<< so, and what does that prove? many people have been all over and do come to different conclusions than you. any of those very broad generalisations expressed on some cultures do make me very suspicious how broadly educated the person supporting or uttering those statement in reality are. >>>There's just no comparing the level of societal energy and zeal to get ahead -- even among the bar girls in Shenzhen (Thailand loses).<<< i have had no interaction with shenzen's bargirls so i can't comment on that. only that there is a very strange thing here i have noticed in asia, that in most other asian countries most westerners do interact mainly with the more educated classes, but here in thailand mainly with the people of very low education and statements like these here on the general thai population are more based on those personal experiences than on a more educated opinion. mind you, it has been many years that i was in that trap as well until i realised that fundamental mistake of thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Sometimes you learn a lot more about the girls via their friends as you are not emotionally involved and can make a better assessment. I know Pattaya127 knows a few as just friends (you sly dog!) I wish we had the input of Jasmine are some of the other women. They are strivers. They are curious about the world around them. Would they consider themselves the exception? From some of the posts she has placed here regarding Thais she has come across in falang land as well as back home, I would tend to think that. My personal experience is that curiosity about falangs is limited to how it helps their business. Such as learning what we like and dislike. I can't recall much discussions on the geo-politial ramifications of war on terrorism from the more educated girls on ICQ. But to be fair, the subject isn't really apropos to what we're on there for is it? :: Overall, Thailand is a lot like most places. A minority of the people are high goal oriented and succeed and the remainder are average wage earners. In the U.S. not everyone goes to college or wants to. Not all of us on here have post graduate degrees and high paying jobs. The ones that do in our respective countries may think that we ' don't get it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted April 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 "they are all stupid" ------------------------------ this is your generalization, I do not see one post where such opinion was uttered, in this thread. I do appreciate your knowledge of Thailand, but you must admit that on this thread, you have mostly reacted with your own generalization about other cultures, which in no way, helps with the specifics of the deabte we are having. only that there is a very strange thing here i have noticed in asia, that in most other asian countries most westerners do interact mainly with the more educated classes, but here in thailand mainly with the people of very low education and statements like these here on the general thai population are more based on those personal experiences than on a more educated opinion. ------------------------------- I do remember that you also have very little inkling for socializing with thai middle and upper class, and that actually you pride (myself too, same wavelength), on having a GF who comes from a workingpoor village, where some of her relatives even decided to live in the forest. you also have told us about the friends you have in what I will call "lumpen" strats of society. Again, no shame in that, but it only goes to show that, as many of us, you find these people of low education worth hanging around, possibly more genuine than better educated ones. Yes, I do not think, by and large, that thais are outwardly turned on the outside world and extremely curious about other scenes than theirs, in order to make up their own mind about things beyond the tip of their nose. Bgs or others. Exceptions confirming the rule, as always. PS: I will admit to you, and that will make you happy, that my low education lazy TGF exclaims when seeing images of the war in Irak: "bush, same like maffia, kill children for oil...." . I hope it makes your day :: :: ::. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 >>>PS: I will admit to you, and that will make you happy, that my low education lazy TGF exclaims when seeing images of the war in Irak: "bush, same like maffia, kill children for oil...." . I hope it makes your day <<< well, if it would be allowed to comment on that on the board here, i would comment that your TGF has a much better grasp on reality than many..., but as that topic is not allowed here i won't comment on that. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted April 6, 2003 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Such as learning what we like and dislike. ----------------------- always shooting from below the belt, Porn again Steve. Yes, I could easily know your likes and dislikes, but to the risk of losing my appetite??? No way.... The ones that do in our respective countries may think that we ' don't get it'. ------------------------- Still, I doubt that people in our respective countries think tourist sanookers screw and P4P 365 days just because they do it for 15 days in LOS. I agree with another poster that what we do when going home is no interest to them, with very little consequence in their lives. Which is why I advise anyone who cares for a girl to not wait and take her home ASAP, away from the vacuum of her daily and repetitious life. they are not stupid, they just need to be shown their life does not have to be defined by the limited choices they had in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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