bgtp Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Just back from an extended stay in LOS and haven't posted while I was away. I hope to post on some of my experiences soon, but I can't help but reply to this topic. I'll use the term whore or prostitute to describe someone selling sex for money and I don't see anything wrong with it. I still try and treat everyone with respect regardless of their occupation. It's funny to me how some people get upset when their little tilacs are called 'whores', yet these same guys have no qualms about making derogatory comments about prostitutes elsewhere. Some street-walker in a Western city becomes a low-life crack-whore even though she may try to be supporting her kids as well. Yet, the Thai bar girl who sells her pussy for money is some sort of noble creature. To me they're both whores. To me they're both people and deserve to be treated respectfully. BTW, whether I pay some street-walker or bar-girl for sex, I'm still a 'john'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Slightly of topic perhaps (entymology?) but interesting I thought.. Synopsis of The Quim by Nigel Cawthorne Vulva is Latin word for the outer part of the female genitalia, the part we see. And although the title of this book is The Vulva, that does not imply that the inner part ? the vagina ? has been overlooked. It is just that, in most languages, the everyday word for the female genitalia is considered offensive. In English, that word is ?cunt?, which probably derives from Kunthus, a Greek goddess of fertility. Then again the Sanskrit word is kunti, which is the name of an Indian goddess. And among the ancient Romans, a woman of easy virtue, a haetera or a public prostitute, was called a ?cunnus?. It would not be impossible to call a book The Cunt. Indeed, a book called Cunt was published by Inga Muscio in 1998. However, this was a feminist track not intended for a general readership. In the revered British Library in London, any book with the word ?cunt? in the title is destined for the infamous ?closed cupboard?. Books kept there can be read only by acknowledged scholars sitting at designated desks. But why is there such the strange flight from the female sex organs? After all, all of us began life there. It is the very seat of pleasure, comfort and succour for both men and women. Only male homosexuals lose out ? and they, too, were born from one. There can be not disputing that the vulva is an important thing, the most important thing in human life. So it is curious that there is not a single depiction of it in mainstream western art from the time of the early Greeks until the late nineteenth century. For almost the entire sweep of European civilisation, the vulva has been, if not deliberately hidden, at least overlooked. In the pre-classical world, the vulva was seen rightly as the fount of life. This tradition has continued in the East. Its importance has also persisted in folklore. At one time, when a female camel or a mare died, the vulva was cut out and nailed to the stable doors to ward off evil. Later the horse-shoe was substituted. For similar reasons, symbols of the vulva were attached to houses and built-in to the walls of churches. Maybe the vulva has been hidden, because we are afraid of it. After all, when a man penetrates the vulva of his lover, his most prized possession is lost from view. Women too are a little bit frightened. After their menses start, they are taught that the vulva is unclean. And both sexes are afraid of the sexual power of the female sexual organ. As an Arab philosopher once said: ?Three things are insatiable: the desert, the grave and a woman?s vulva.? But it is time to get over our fear. Women?s sex organs are a beautiful thing. They are everything we desire and crave for. They are the very source of life itself. The vulva should be loved, cherished, worshipped and elevated, not dismissed as something sordid, smutty and cheap. In his book The Perfect One, the great Arabic grammarian Mubarrad (826-98) lamented that the woman?s cleft was not set in forehead of a lion ?so that only the worthy and valiant might possess it?. Copyright © 1998-2001, AuthorsOnline Ltd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 addendum.......I meant etymology of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvarpala Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 jagoturner said: I accept that the word "whore" has a stigma among many (especially those who compile dictionaries who, given their choice of career, should know better) but it shouldn't. It's a beautiful word with a beautiful sound so lets cut the shit and use it all the time. You're right of course. Prostitute, Whore, Hooker all mean the same thing, but they are still regarded by many (including me) as insulting. "Bargirl" just isn't the same.... do you think of your Thai "girlfriends" as bargirls, or as P/W/H ? I don't think of any girl I get involved with as a prostitute, hooker, or whore ( even though she probably is ), I think of them as bargirls. It's not as offensive - I know it sounds stupid, but that's the way it is for me - just a matter of respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagoturner Posted February 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Interesting... I've always liked the word vulva too... It paints a picture in my mind. Sounds almost like a kind of flower with vulvic petals. I love cunt though. Something about it that really comes from the heart. Cunt, even if it didn't piss people off, would never be an emotionally neutral word. It has great vitriol when used in one sense and almost insane passion when used in another. It's interesting that the word "whore" does inflame a kind of PC response. I suspect part of this is, as already accurately pointed out, a kind of denial of the profession when you are involved. I also think it probably has a slightly different perception when spoken in English to American English but I wouldn't want to overstate this. My main contention is that divorced from traditionally negative perception (which also applies to just about every other word used in this thread to describe prostitution including sex worker) whore has a lovely sound. I'm not that bothered about political correctness doing away with ugly words (though I can see a point in defending all words from academic redefinition) but I resent it doing away with beautiful ones. Not that it is all that important a topic to raise. I was just surprised to see someone taken to task for using it in a completely harmless way on a nearby thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvarpala Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Hope you don't mind, but I started a poll about people's opinions of the words Prostitute, Whore, Hooker, Bargirl, and how one refers to the girls. Poll I just found this thread really interesting, and wondered what the general consensus was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJsushi Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 jagoturner said: It's interesting that the word "whore" does inflame a kind of PC response. I suspect part of this is, as already accurately pointed out, a kind of denial of the profession when you are involved. I also think it probably has a slightly different perception when spoken in English to American English but I wouldn't want to overstate this. Just curious how if one doesn't agree with a word that has a specific meaning then it becomes a "PC" thing. Whore has a very distinct meaning from prostitute especially dependent upon the context of it's use. Prostitte is very generic in nature. Don't see how disagreeing on how a word is used would be considered "PC". PC to me refers more to Native Americans not wanting sports teams to use deragatory or rascist names and mascots. I don't see the "PC' ness " of using whore instead of prostitute. I don't even see how it is a PC issue. Now you can wax eloquently about the beauty of the word and use it to describe all women who exchange sex for money but to many "whore" has a totally different connotation than concubine or courtesan or escort or call girl. Technically they pretty much all do the same basic thing but perception wise they do not. Maybe that is why there are several different words to describe simialr things because each provides a distinction or differentation from the other. Subtleties to the educated(academically and or experience wise) and those who can understand that not everything is black and white but there are seveal shades of grey inbetween. Botttom line is that it is a language thing and what specific meaning a word holds for you will not apply to others. Whore is beautiful to you and you may enjoy singing it out loud but I am sure in some cases if you call a guy's long time BG or mia noi or concubine a whore to his face, then that guy may smack you not because he will disagree with you about it's technical meaning but rather he doesn't appreciate the negative slant that the word has. BTW- good but nonsensical topic for the general forum, I am enjoying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Perhaps the connotations have to do with the context in which the words are used. For instance one would hardly call somebody a silly vulva or a dirty old sex trade worker.....or perhaps one might. :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagoturner Posted February 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 Isn't political correctness a little broader in its meaning ? I would have thought it refers to the attempt to limit other people's way of expressing themselves in the belief it will make society somehow better mannered ? At it's most acceptable this might be preventing racist or abusive language. At it's worst it means being so hypersensitive to possible perceptions of language that it bans phrases like black coffee being used in specific organisations. Your objection may be one of linguistic accuracy. The average objection is based on the perception that whore causes offence in a way that another word, similar in meaning, does not. I don't think there is a polite way of referring to prostitutes. As for calling anyone's paid girlfriend a whore to his face. Well... I wouldn't call her a sex worker or a courtesan either. Not unless he had an excellent sense of humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli13 Posted February 5, 2004 Report Share Posted February 5, 2004 I'd not say it's really off topic at all. Actually very informative stuff & food for though for most of us. Anyways I shouldn't really be in this discussion at all, but find it hard not to respond to the most popular thread of current... All I can say mostly would be that it's rather amusing how some guys defend the BG's while still admitting why they need to & that basically whore describe them just fine, but ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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