FIGJAM Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 ...and your experience entitles you to rub it into Expats face that he is a newbie even when his name says Expat? We also have a member whose name says Santa, for that matter. Do you also believe that Santa Claus is reading a whoremongering board? BTW, he WAS a newbie at the time what we are talking about happened. By his own admission. What thread have you been reading? Got lost on the board? Are you judging him by his post count? The fact that you are even considering that possibility "says more about you than it says about me"... BTW, have you even glanced at MY post count before posting such foolish accusation?!? You seem to already know the answer before the question is asked! (Based on my experience reading your post) What a sweeping (and as such, WRONG) statement! It is utter nonsense to say that the majority of Thais can't have a deep and meaningful conversation. For starters, you don't know the majority of Thais. For starters, you don't know about extrapolation. When I have CONSISTENT experiences with a fair number of individuals across different social classes, different social settings and different geographical locations across the country I draw my conclusions. I accept that yours and expat's conclusions are different but, I suspect, this is not because you have encountered completely different kinds of Thais but rather because of your own definition of what an intelligent, interesting, deep and meaningful conversation is... For example, I don't class your post as such. I repeat: you said "IN MY EXPERIENCE" which means nothing else that you surround yourself with people who have not much to say. Yes, in your fantasy world. I was talking about folks I have met, known and in any other possible way come in contact with, not people I have "surronded" myself with or whom I have picked or chosen because of some special trait and characteristic they had or were showing. The people that are surrounding me are very capable of having deep and meaningful conversations, that is why I have chosen them, mybe you choose the wrong partners for a conversation or maybe your approach is wrong. Of course. It could never be that I may possibly be even remotely right. Judging you based on the way you are trying to discredit a poster with a low post count it is implying that you believe to be the greater person, Are you just a consumer or do you also sell..? if that is how you approach Thais to get into a deep and meaningful conversation you might have something to work out for yourself! I assume in real life you are not overreacting so strangely and talk down on people because they don't share your opinion. Good luck anyways and I hope you will find the right people to have a conversation with! TNX, I think I've just found 2 right ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Spooky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGJAM Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 It is not incredibly intellectually arrogant to guess that a person making a sweeping negative statement about sixty million Thais is more likely wrong than right. You keep on not answering my very simple questions. What makes a negative sweeping statement wrong?? The fact that it is negative or the fact that it is "sweeping"?? My statement was of my experience. So was his, so what? I did not generalize it. "I find Thais in general to be interesting, intelligent and well spoken." It speaks volumes about the kind of conversation we are having. Is this, BTW, any indication of what you consider interesting, intelligent, deep and meaningful conversations? Is this the kind of conversation you are having with all those interesting, intelligent and well spoken Thais? If it is, then we can simply agree that, like I just replied to ChristianTroy, it's not that we have encountered completely different kinds of Thais but rather that we have a completely different definition of what an intelligent, interesting, deep and meaningful conversation is... It was a statement about the people I have met. So was his, so what? Even if I did make a sweeping statement without proper evidence to back it up, it would not make it right. And what would it make? "More likely right than wrong", "more likely wrong than right" or something else yet? The idea that nobody in Thailand has anything interesting to say is ludicrous--I recognized that then; I recognize it now. NOBODY?!? Where ever does that come from? We all are generalizing here, giving a general opinion, talking about the average Thai. No one ever said that each and every single one of those 60 million Thais does not have anything interesting to say. It may be worth repeating: What we usually (should) discuss here, and what many people seem absolutely unable to understand, is our opinions on the relative DEGREE of their racism, classism, xenophobia, corruption, stupidity etc (relative, I mean, to the other realities we have some direct or indirect knowledge on). The reason for which I rarely post on the boards any more is that so many folks seem to be able to think (think... maybe too strong a word for them ) only in black and white terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGJAM Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 You cut off my quote halfway through my sentence. My idea was contained in a sentence, not a prhase. The idea is that just because someone lives in Thailand and speaks Thai doesn't mean I have to believe everything they say. It also doesn't mean you should point blank refuse to consider everything he says ESPECIALLY when the subject is something so closely related with his long resident status and his Thai speaking abilities and when you were lacking both of said qualities. By that logic, if someone who lived in Thailand when I came here told me that Thai cats like to eat elephants with teaspoons I would have to accept it negating my whole life experience up to that point. No, it would be more like if someone who is a jungle long resident ethologist told you, freshly arrived city resident, that Thai lizards bite and are poisonous... You said earlier "My experiences make me sure of the fact that most Thais are not capable and/or interested in having deep and meaningful conversations." I said "I find Thais in general to be interesting, intelligent and well spoken." You reached a sweeping ugly conclusion about a large group of people based on anecdotal evidence. I simply explained what my experience has been so far with the people I have met. Have you gone native or were you already like this? Either we all (I, you and the old hand of your initial post) "simply explained what our experience has been so far with the people we have met" OR we all "reached a sweeping conclusion [be it ugly or beautiful] about a large group of people based on anecdotal evidence". Don't you believe that what's good for the goose is good for the gander? You are patently using a double standard here. If you are consciously doing it our conversation better end here, if you are unable to realize it our conversation better end here... You can try and twist things as much as you want, but that is the heart of the matter. You can try and twist things as much as you want but the heart of the matter is that both of them can't be deemed A PRIORI right, wrong, "more likely right than wrong" or "more likely wrong than right" just because they are, according to one's own morals, "sweeping UGLY conclusions" or "sweeping BEAUTIFUL conclusions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rchapstick Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Memo to FIGSPAM ... Jr. High School Debate Society does not meet until NEXT week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGJAM Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Memo to FIGSPAM ... Jr. High School Debate Society does not meet until NEXT week. Sorry basket case, too busy to come. Tell your classmates you have to find another teacher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elef Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I don't know why but this discussion more and more looks like the subject hierarchy of farang asshole activity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGJAM Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 I don't know why but this discussion more and more looks like the subject hierarchy of farang asshole activity And that's why you felt the need to join the thread..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hi, He's right though. This is getting rather pathetic and I think most people have long lost interest. How about we give it a rest before things get out of hand? Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIGJAM Posted February 16, 2007 Report Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hi, He's right though. This is getting rather pathetic and I think most people have long lost interest. How about we give it a rest before things get out of hand? Sanuk! Am I not simply replying in kind to those derailing the thread? It would be nice if you directly addressed only the ones responsible for making it "pathetic". Unless, of course, you think I am one. In which case, I think I'm going to take another long holiday from the board (with no hard feelings, really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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