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[Bangkoktraveler]

Smoke and mirrors.

[Central Scrutinizer]

OH,

 

"Let's examine the situation...Saadam was in, Oil was cheaper, world appeared safer...we go after the Taliban in Afganistan, and Into Iraq all over supposed threats, Oil goes up, as do profits, The people of Afganistan and Iraq may well be worse off, the governments in both countries are in a shambles, the USA is divided, and our economy is suffering, and the worlds is now supposedly not any safer...even though GWB declared victory in both places...Was any of it REALLY necessary? Who knows? Truth is always the first casualty."

 

So, who is it that profits from all this? That is the question really isn't it, if there seems to be no good real reason for doing this?

 

But you say it right in this paragraph above. No good real reason to invade Iraq. But by doing this and a few other questionable things, the price of oil goes up. Whose family owns oil wells, stock, and has many friends and relatives in the oil industry? GWB maybe? I can't believe that these people did not know what the consequences of this war would be for oil prices. And VP Cheney? Well, his former company has reaped the profits of this war as well hasn't it/he? His friends, his fellow business owners? The buddies and hale fellows of his who will once again hire him and give him millions of dollars in pay and stock options and other money once he is no longer VP? Right? I just cannot see how anyone, after all these years now, and with all that you can read and see about who is profitting from this war, cannot see that this was a war 'for profit' right from the get go. Sadam was a convenient excuse used to fool the electorate and gain permission/backing from the citizens, as were the phony WMDs. Its a scam of monumental proportions by certain big business war profiteering war mongers. The 'War Pigs'. The Dogs of War.

 

What's totally sickening is the way these War Pigs and their minions and lackeys used the tragic event of 911 to line their pockets playing to the fears of the public after the WTC horror.

 

And once again the taxpayers foot the bill for a century to come while these pigs make their blood stained profits and gorge themselves at the trough.

 

Patriots my ass. Traitors, all of them. The all mighty dollar once again reigns supreme, while being driven to lower and lower levels, while taxes are slashed for the rich and priveleged, and while we the middle class and poor pay the price in blood and money for the forseeable future.

 

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Bush and his boys pat each other on the backs for their cleverness to fill their coffers with the filthy lucre, and laugh heartily at the continuing stupidity of the voters and the general masses of the helpless citizenry. While drafting laws that will exempt them and their buddies from ever being brought to prosecution for their 'war' crimes and enable them to keep their foul gotten gains to further their wealthy empires.

 

Cent

[Old Hippie]

This is why I can accept that there may be some, o.k. a lot of, deceptions and mistruths in 9-11 and other related (war/terrorist) events. Rhe very people profiting from these lies may well be the ones spreading them. AT the very least, it is worth looking into.

[Steve]

Steve,

 

I take your points. What I am trying to say is, I question EVERYTHING this administration says and does...even more so than any other/previous administration.

 

 

Totally agree on questioning everything. Especially this administration. I can't think of any administration that was less trustworth in my memory. Not even Reagan. lol.

 

My main worry about this administration is the usual worries, that they use it to stay in Iraq, to further take away civil liberties, etc. The funny thing is we read about this kinda stuff happening in all kinds of books by Orwell and others and its like we see it happening and wonder why most people don't see it. (although some on here may think I don't see it..lol). The funny (not so funny) is they have gotten everything wrong about Iraq from the start with the WMDs, post invasion Iraq but want to be taken seriously about how to end it and when to end it when they have gotten EVERYTHING wrong so far. Incredible. And a lot of us in this country still would take their advice on Iraq. I won't. I'll tell you something though, the Republicans are good. If the roles were reversed there would be no way the Dems would still be calling the shots. Gotta admire the Repubs but at the same time be scared shitless of anyone that can pull that off.

 

Agree they could be doing it again. However, the truth does come out and there are far more avenues for it now that we have the net, etc. In the old days the press would keep things such as FDR's polio secret (even though it was known but just not said publicly), the affairs of Presidents, etc. Now EVERYTHING is fair game. The press has a lot more informants, access and is willing to print and say things they wouldn't dream of doing a couple generations ago. The free press may talk about Paris Hilton too much for our liking but we can find out the truth a bit easier nowadays as well.

[Old Hippie]

The trouble is, when the truth does come out, no one wants to believe it...I'll disagree with you that the Repubs are good, they are pure evil...the dems are weak and ineffective, and corrupt in their own right...things have turned to shit...as the bumper sticker says "...time for another tea party..."

[Flashermac]

Thomas Jefferson said there should be a revolution in every generation. Sort of what George Orwell meant with "Animal Farm".

 

[Flashermac]

Thomas Jefferson said there should be a revolution in every generation. Sort of what George Orwell meant with "Animal Farm".

 

[Fidel]

I think a revolution is needed.

 

The problem is, the clamp down on civil liberties and the new oppressive laws and the provisions of the Patriot Act etc, which enable the government to lock people up and throw away the key with NO CHARGES OR EVIDENCE, will make revolution almost impossible.

 

I think that the state understands this and Western governments, anticipating that the populace will get sick of their shit, is using the threat of terror to ensure that people will be so heavily surveiled and tracked (ID cards, chips, biometrics), that revolution becomes impossible.

 

Together, the political/military/corporate elites have brought about a situation where they rule over a prolitariat whose only input into the running of affairs is the occasional mark on a ballot paper. The masses have very little say as to who appears on the ballot papers (this is determined by the big money backers).

 

People will eventually get sick of the elites' bullshit, and the elite knows this, but by the time people wake up, it will be too late. "Thought Crime" will probably be a reality by then. We're moving towards it these days with new technologies and with prosecution of suspects in rudimentary cases like the latest terror alerts. Find some angry people who don't like what's happening, plant an agent with them to rile them up and egg them on, have him record some of the stuff they say, splash it all over the news, lock them up and throw away the key.

[Fidel]

An interesting article from the Guardian:

 

Revolution, flashmobs, and brain chips. A grim vision of the future

 

 

Richard Norton-Taylor

Monday April 9, 2007

The Guardian

 

Information chips implanted in the brain. Electromagnetic pulse weapons. The middle classes becoming revolutionary, taking on the role of Marx's proletariat. The population of countries in the Middle East increasing by 132%, while Europe's drops as fertility falls. "Flashmobs" - groups rapidly mobilised by criminal gangs or terrorists groups.

 

This is the world in 30 years' time envisaged by a Ministry of Defence team responsible for painting a picture of the "future strategic context" likely to face Britain's armed forces. It includes an "analysis of the key risks and shocks". Rear Admiral Chris Parry, head of the MoD's Development, Concepts & Doctrine Centre which drew up the report, describes the assessments as "probability-based, rather than predictive".

 

The 90-page report comments on widely discussed issues such as the growing economic importance of India and China, the militarisation of space, and even what it calls "declining news quality" with the rise of "internet-enabled, citizen-journalists" and pressure to release stories "at the expense of facts". It includes other, some frightening, some reassuring, potential developments that are not so often discussed.

 

New weapons

 

An electromagnetic pulse will probably become operational by 2035 able to destroy all communications systems in a selected area or be used against a "world city" such as an international business service hub. The development of neutron weapons which destroy living organs but not buildings "might make a weapon of choice for extreme ethnic cleansing in an increasingly populated world". The use of unmanned weapons platforms would enable the "application of lethal force without human intervention, raising consequential legal and ethical issues". The "explicit use" of chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons and devices delivered by unmanned vehicles or missiles.

 

Technology

 

By 2035, an implantable "information chip" could be wired directly to the brain. A growing pervasiveness of information communications technology will enable states, terrorists or criminals, to mobilise "flashmobs", challenging security forces to match this potential agility coupled with an ability to concentrate forces quickly in a small area.

 

Marxism

 

"The middle classes could become a revolutionary class, taking the role envisaged for the proletariat by Marx," says the report. The thesis is based on a growing gap between the middle classes and the super-rich on one hand and an urban under-class threatening social order: "The world's middle classes might unite, using access to knowledge, resources and skills to shape transnational processes in their own class interest". Marxism could also be revived, it says, because of global inequality. An increased trend towards moral relativism and pragmatic values will encourage people to seek the "sanctuary provided by more rigid belief systems, including religious orthodoxy and doctrinaire political ideologies, such as popularism and Marxism".

 

Pressures leading to social unrest

 

By 2010 more than 50% of the world's population will be living in urban rather than rural environments, leading to social deprivation and "new instability risks", and the growth of shanty towns. By 2035, that figure will rise to 60%. Migration will increase. Globalisation may lead to levels of international integration that effectively bring inter-state warfare to an end. But it may lead to "inter-communal conflict" - communities with shared interests transcending national boundaries and resorting to the use of violence.

 

Population and Resources

 

The global population is likely to grow to 8.5bn in 2035, with less developed countries accounting for 98% of that. Some 87% of people under the age of 25 live in the developing world. Demographic trends, which will exacerbate economic and social tensions, have serious implications for the environment - including the provision of clean water and other resources - and for international relations. The population of sub-Saharan Africa will increase over the period by 81%, and that of Middle Eastern countries by 132%.

 

The Middle East

 

The massive population growth will mean the Middle East, and to a lesser extent north Africa, will remain highly unstable, says the report. It singles out Saudi Arabia, the most lucrative market for British arms, with unemployment levels of 20% and a "youth bulge" in a state whose population has risen from 7 million to 27 million since 1980. "The expectations of growing numbers of young people [in the whole region] many of whom will be confronted by the prospect of endemic unemployment ... are unlikely to be met," says the report.

 

Islamic militancy

 

Resentment among young people in the face of unrepresentative regimes "will find outlets in political militancy, including radical political Islam whose concept of Umma, the global Islamic community, and resistance to capitalism may lie uneasily in an international system based on nation-states and global market forces", the report warns. The effects of such resentment will be expressed through the migration of youth populations and global communications, encouraging contacts between diaspora communities and their countries of origin.

 

Tension between the Islamic world and the west will remain, and may increasingly be targeted at China "whose new-found materialism, economic vibrancy, and institutionalised atheism, will be an anathema to orthodox Islam".

 

Iran

 

Iran will steadily grow in economic and demographic strength and its energy reserves and geographic location will give it substantial strategic leverage. However, its government could be transformed. "From the middle of the period," says the report, "the country, especially its high proportion of younger people, will want to benefit from increased access to globalisation and diversity, and it may be that Iran progressively, but unevenly, transforms...into a vibrant democracy."

 

Terrorism

 

Casualties and the amount of damage inflicted by terrorism will stay low compared to other forms of coercion and conflict. But acts of extreme violence, supported by elements within Islamist states, with media exploitation to maximise the impact of the "theatre of violence" will persist. A "terrorist coalition", the report says, including a wide range of reactionary and revolutionary rejectionists such as ultra-nationalists, religious groupings and even extreme environmentalists, might conduct a global campaign of greater intensity".

 

Climate change

 

There is "compelling evidence" to indicate that climate change is occurring and that the atmosphere will continue to warm at an unprecedented rate throughout the 21st century. It could lead to a reduction in north Atlantic salinity by increasing the freshwater runoff from the Arctic. This could affect the natural circulation of the north Atlantic by diminishing the warming effect of ocean currents on western Europe. "The drop in temperature might exceed that of the miniature ice age of the 17th and 18th centuries."

 

 

 

Source: Guardian Science

 

[Hugh_Hoy]

An interesting article from the Guardian:

 

An oxymoron if I ever read one.

 

HH