cavanami Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 In Illinois, the sate gov needs money for the "budget". OK, fair enough. How to get the moneu...they want to increase the state tax by 50%...WTF!!! Hey, azzholes, how about pay cuts for the politicians and state workers! how about pension cuts, benefits cuts...get real! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh_Hoy Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 KK...I don't see how your reply addresses the point I made. Six months ago Obama was laying into McCain for saying that the economy was fundamentally strong. Even three weeks ago, Obama was spreading doom and gloom. This was merely his attempt to get the public on his side and behind all of the spending he wanted in the budget he presented to the Congress. It was quite apparent, except to those with their eyes closed and their ears shut, that this was an orchestrated "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" excuse to spend trillions the Treasury doesn't and won't have for years and years and years. At least, a war usually has an "end game". With Obama and a Demoncrat Congress, there is no "end game" when it comes to taxing and spending. I get sooooooooooo fatigued hearing all the bullshit about "it's for the children". Fuck me. So is the indebtedness this Congress and President are bestowing upon the next generation ! "Let's not worry about, the children can take care of it". Don't the idiots think that "the children" are also gonna be paying Social Security taxes that they are likely never to recover? The California Demoncrats have run one of the best States into the ground with their tax and spend ways for the last three or four decades. It should be a lesson to the rest of the country. Demoncrats in power just don't know how to add and subtract. Fucking clueless or don't give a shit. I'm inclined to think they are both. Anyway, to re-state my point, Obama has now decided that the economy isn't so bad after all. In two short weeks, he's done another about-face. He's just what I said he was six months ago. A Prof. Harold Hill...a flim-flam man. The President has no clothes. Oh...I love the way this Administration and Congress are now "outraged" at AIG folks getting huge bonuses...like they didn't know it months ago. A bunch of wankers, to be sure. HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 AIG Bailout Went to European Banks CNN March 16, 2009 ...The list released Sunday of "counterparties" that benefited from the bailout is topped by European banks Societe Generale and Deutsche Bank, which received $4.1 billion and $2.6 billion, respectively... ...and only NOW Prez. Obama knows about all this...bull shit!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Oh...I love the way this Administration and Congress are now "outraged" at AIG folks getting huge bonuses...like they didn't know it months ago. A bunch of wankers, to be sure. HH, since we are mates, I won't say what I really think, but are you really that idiotic?????? Shit has been covered up, and now that they can't hide it, the real accounting is coming out. And that's Obama's fault??????????????? Or are you in the GOP minority that believe these punks "deserve" that $$$, and need to be stroked, and kept on, because they "know what is going on??????"??????? Remember, like it or not, you are the owner here. Sooooo.... Pathetically ignorant partisan once again mate. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 WHy is everyone acting like this is something new? look at the airline industry...specifically United...went bankrupt, dodged creditors, screwed workers, took pensions wages, benifits etc, then the first 1/4 out of bankruptcy, they passed out the full profit amongst the upper management...nothing for the workers or creditors who made it all possible...the excuse was to retain good people to run the company...aka the same idiots who fucked it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustian Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 KK...I don't see how your reply addresses the point I made. Six months ago Obama was laying into McCain for saying that the economy was fundamentally strong. Even three weeks ago, Obama was spreading doom and gloom. This was merely his attempt to get the public on his side and behind all of the spending he wanted in the budget he presented to the Congress. It was quite apparent, except to those with their eyes closed and their ears shut, that this was an orchestrated "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" excuse to spend trillions the Treasury doesn't and won't have for years and years and years. At least, a war usually has an "end game". With Obama and a Demoncrat Congress, there is no "end game" when it comes to taxing and spending. I get sooooooooooo fatigued hearing all the bullshit about "it's for the children". Fuck me. So is the indebtedness this Congress and President are bestowing upon the next generation ! "Let's not worry about, the children can take care of it". Don't the idiots think that "the children" are also gonna be paying Social Security taxes that they are likely never to recover? The California Demoncrats have run one of the best States into the ground with their tax and spend ways for the last three or four decades. It should be a lesson to the rest of the country. Demoncrats in power just don't know how to add and subtract. Fucking clueless or don't give a shit. I'm inclined to think they are both. Anyway, to re-state my point, Obama has now decided that the economy isn't so bad after all. In two short weeks, he's done another about-face. He's just what I said he was six months ago. A Prof. Harold Hill...a flim-flam man. The President has no clothes. Oh...I love the way this Administration and Congress are now "outraged" at AIG folks getting huge bonuses...like they didn't know it months ago. A bunch of wankers, to be sure. HH Firstly, the previous Democrat President left the country with a surplus.... Secondly, previously posted statistics clearly demonstrate that republican administrations usually over spend and create deficits... Thirdly, you appear to have severe memory problems. It must be your age. Fourthly, the previous economic model clearly didn't work. Bush's tenure has caused one of the worst economic crisis in history. Learn the concept of eating humble pie. The fuckwits you supported produced a nightmare. Fifthly, it is a belief, held by some, that the government needs to spend big, to get the country out of a huge hole. The economic stimulus package needs to be spread about to create growth throughout, not just in one sector of the economy. This is an all pervading recession, the solution needs to be equally all encompassing. Finally, get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 This fucker works (too late, as always, but hey: what can ya do...American Idol is on), tho' I guess it doesn't apply to HH since he's not so pissed off about rich fucks getting millions of dollars in our tax money (cuz, what, they're better than us or sompthin' and they might leave some scraps?): [color:purple]Really? Is this really the straw that snapped that fucker's spine? After all this time, after billions of dollars simply tossed into the ether over in Iraq, after paying Dick Cheney's cronies at Halliburton billions in no-bid contracts, after KBR overcharged the US government hundreds of millions for its "services" in Iraq (and after it was given a $70 million bonus while it was under investigation by the Justice Department in 2005), after money wasted hand over fist, bad over good, endlessly, it's this? AIG giving out about a tenth of a percent of its bailout money to top executives is what's gonna finally make Americans go nutzoid? Goddamn, we're adorable. To put this in perspective: it's like a parent giving you ten bucks and then being pissed that you tossed a penny into a wishing well. "Next time," that angry parent might say, "next time you'll only get $9.99." Lesson learned, eh? Most of us out here on the left have been in an uproar for, oh, shit, let's say a couple of decades over the criminally large amounts of money corporations have been giving executives, especially when they would do vicious shit like rewarding CEOs after the aforementioned bastards slashed thousands of jobs to help the stock price stay elevated. Now it's Republicans calling for an auto da fe' on AIG's top brass, with Charles Grassley "rhetorically" suggesting suicide and Fox "news" dicks calling for torture or public execution. (It probably doesn't hurt that AIG primarily contributed to Democrats.) So why the hell not? Let's all shake our collective fists in our grand moment of joined socialist outrage. Who knows when it will come again? Now how about some action that really capitalizes on this anti-capitalist moment?[/color] But hey, give some poor fuck who works 70 hours a week at three jobs w/zero bennys for $3/hr a $0.25/hr stipend (no matter every cent and then some of that pittance will go back into the economy and help us all), and those HHs are ballistic!!!!!!! Priorities, baaayyyyybbbbeeee! Cheers, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartThais Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 It was quite apparent, except to those with their eyes closed and their ears shut, that this was an orchestrated "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" excuse to spend trillions the Treasury doesn't and won't have for years and years and years. We've been in much bigger debt before (as a % of GDP) and we did just fine. What's the cost to the economy of 2 years of negative growth followed by 8 years of flat growth? The fact is that the world is willing to lend to the US at barely above target inflation for 10 years. That means that somehow there is a huge contingency of people who think the US *can* pay back the debt and yet you are so sure we can't. The other issue is that if the US doesn't do this, there is no one left willing to pick up the slack. It sucks that there are a lot of export countries that are trying to piggyback off US stimulus but that's what we're stuck with. We may very well be spending the money badly. But your stance seems to come from the kinda folksy wisdom like 'Don't rent if you can buy', 'Always pay in cash.' Somehow even after what just happened, conservatives are convinced that giving money to rich people will trickle down into the economy but injecting it directly is like throwing it away. So someone please explain to me why conservatives are so outraged by the AIG bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh_Hoy Posted March 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I'm confused. SD thinks conservatives think the huge bonuses are a good thing. You, apparently think conservatives think otherwise. Hmmmmmmm...since neither of you are likely to be referred to as a "conservative", I'll let you guys sort it out. But, for the record, I am appalled at the bonuses given to employees who have put a company in red ink. "Merit pay" is one thing. But these prima donnas think they're pro athletes who can take a guaranteed salary no matter whether they produce or not. As a defacto stock holder in AIG, I'd fire the friggin' board of directors who approved the "incentive" clauses. (BTW, the same type of bullshit went on with the Wells Fargo acquisition of Wachovia.) HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 AIG is almost under a receivership and for them to give out such huge bonuses is generally considered criminal (fraud). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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