Yanks Health Care Passes. Done Deal.

[dave32]

michael moore advocates good health but looks like a bag of shite that couldn't climb a set of stairs without having a cardiac arrest!!!

 

Michael Moore is as fucking phony as they get. His movies are all about the same thing: Michael Moore.

 

Back OT, lets see if we can sum up the conversation so far:

 

- This bill is going to revolutionize healthcare and bring coverage to the uninsured

- The US is now on par with its European counterparts in caring for the populace. Hooray.

- It's a bright day dawning and a great victory. Illnesses will be treated, people won't go broke.

- Critics of this bill use strong Language. Cheney, Bush, and Karl Rove used strong language to push an illegal war. Therefore, the critics must be secret supporters of war-mongering and oppression of the innocent.

- Fox news criticized the plan. Therefore, anyone against the healthcare bill is a Fox news minion spouting right-wing propaganda.

 

(Note: Below, I'm putting place markers so we can insert references to Hitler, Sarah Palin, and Zionist conspiracies -- as that will surely come up)

 

- Hitler. He denied healthcare to many, therefore critics of the bill are secretly brown shirt dyed-in-the-wool Nazis

- Sarah Palin. She goes to church. In medieval times the church promoted primitive ritual over rational medicine. The bill's critics are quite obviously Sarah Palin loving religious freaks.

- Zionist plots. Hey, the Jews are really controlling it all and we're just puppets right?

 

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Here's what the bill really does:

 

- wrecks existing infrastructure and replaces it with even murkier, arcane processes. It hardly guarantees anything approximating fair coverage for all

- raids medicare to do it

 

(And an interesting note, Congress was smart enough to ensure that no matter what happens, their coverage cannot be touched or impacted. Very good).

[unit731]

 

(And an interesting note, Congress was smart enough to ensure that no matter what happens, their coverage cannot be touched or impacted. Very good).

 

 

All US federal employees have the exact same options, coverage, plans, as members of US Congress has.

 

"The Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) Program can help you and your family meet your health care needs. Federal employees, retirees and their survivors enjoy the widest selection of health plans in the country. You can choose from among Consumer-Driven and High Deductible plans that offer catastrophic risk protection with higher deductibles, health savings/reimbursable accounts and lower premiums, or Fee-for-Service (FFS) plans, and their Preferred Provider Organizations (PPO), or Health Maintenance Organizations (HMO) if you live (or sometimes if you work) within the area serviced by the plan.

 

LINK

[Flashermac]

And of course they all have the same salary and pension plan.

 

 

[dave32]

It's a good time to work for the federal government, no doubt.

 

What U7 forgot is that congress/senate also has their own personal team of physicians, nurses, techs, etc. on standby. Need an MRI or an EKG? Colonoscopy? They do it without leaving work or waiting in line, on the spot. Then they take a stroll to their own pharmacy and get their meds without wait or copay. Sweet.

 

Somehow I don't think that treatment plan trickles down to Johnny in the mailroom. But, with the government employee benefits he'll still be WAY better off than most.

 

Interestingly, the way they promoted the bill was as proverbially extending government employee health benefits to everyone. Haha.

 

Once you guys out there without insurance start seeing that as a reality, please post your stories here. You'd never see me happier to cook a big plate of crow and eat it.

[dave32]

 

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[Flashermac]

From AC|BC News:

 

<< The individual mandate is an "unprecedented overreach by the federal government forcing individual citizens to buy a good or a service for no other reason then they happen to be alive or a person," Republican governor of Minnesota Tim Pawlenty said today on "Good Morning America."

 

Pawlenty said he sent a letter to Minnesota's Democratic attorney general arguing against the constitutionality of the mandate.

 

"They've taken it to this big, federalized, bureaucratic, government-run, kind of nanny nation approach," Pawlenty said. "I don't think defending the Constitution and individual's rights under the Constitution, and the relationship between states and the federal government under the Constitution is a frivolous matter."

 

Twelve state attorneys general, all of whom are Republican, have already filed suits to block the health care bill on the grounds that its requirement that everyone have health insurance is unconstitutional. Four state legislatures have already passed laws blocking the bill. On Wednesday, Virginia's GOP Gov. Bob McDonnell will sign the bill into the state's law, making it illegal for the federal government to require Americans to purchase health insurance. >>

 

 

 

[cavanami]

You do NOT have to buy Medicare, so why are you forced, under penalty of law, to buy Obamacare?

 

Prez. O, just keep using the US Constitution to wrap your fish in...and he taught constitutional law...WTF???

[ThaiHome]

Tell me how I can stop Medicare payments being deducted from my paycheck each month. I don’t have to “buy†or even use when I get older, but I sure have to pay for it now.

TH

[Old Hippie]

I don't know many states force people to buy automobile insurance...

 

As far as this plan goes, it is a step in the right direction. Sad is, it seems a group of republicans is hell bent on blocking this in the courts. I still say we need to take away ALL of the senate and congressional member's health care and pensions, and then see how they feel. Maybe then we will get some protections and reforms.

[Flashermac]

Precisely. Time to take America back from the "bureaucratic elite" and return it to the common people. Uh ... Thaksin, are you available to lead us?