robaus Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I just heard the BBC correspondent from Cairo talking about Amr Moussa's remark. He said it was just a one off comment reiterating the Arab League position. He said there have been none of the usual anti Western demonstrations in Arab capitals and no criticism from any Arab head of state, which implies overall sympathy with the allied actions against Gaddafi. It demonstrates what I've been saying for years. Arabs will actually start waving Western flags rather than burning them when we start doing something constructive for the Arab people, rather than propping up dictators, autocratic royal families, and repressive racist regimes such as Israel. Lets face it .. the Lockerbie bomber Gaddafi is a bastard. He's got to go. Either don't pussyfoot around.. hit him with a smart bomb if you have sufficient intelligence as to his exact location, or supply the anti Gaddafi forces with better weaponry, maintain the no fly zone as they retake all their positions up to the outskirts of Tripoli. No foreign ground troops need be involved. Have a quiet word that no atrocities must be committed by the anti Gaddafites. Then sit back and starve Gadaffi of oil revenue to pay his mercenaries. There'll be some internal coup that will save us the expense of a war crimes tribunal. George Bush Snr had the same option with Saddam but he fucked up. He had chased back the Republican Guard to Baghdad. He had the oil fields under control and popular uprisings against Saddam amongst the Kurds in the north and the Shias in the south.Then unbelievably he just pissed off quietly and allowed Saddam to reap havoc and revenge again, paving the way for his son Bushit to fuck up bigtime needlessly sacrificing thousands of American, Allied and Iraqi lives. Lets get it right this time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Wow, for once I agree with RobAus 100%. I'm getting worried. p.s. Obama himself has said the Tea Baggers are not a racist group. Nevertheless, it is obvious there are racists among its members. So? Obama has some black racists in his corner too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Bangkok Post 21 Mar 2011 Opinion Mister Obama finds a war War has broken out in the Middle East area again. After an agonising wait and much hand-wringing, the main Western powers of the UN Security Council pushed aside objections from around the world. As of early yesterday morning, warplanes from Britain, the US and France, along with US warships, were pounding the army and defences of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi. It will be a pleasure to see the end of Col Gadhafi's regime. But how much better it would have been to see him ousted by his own people. The attacks on Libya by the three Western allies stir up memories of the 2003 Iraq invasion. There are, of course, important differences: there is no ground invasion, and this time the US played the reluctant ally instead of the insistent leader. But the similarities of the two operations also are startling. Western countries have decided to try to oust a terrorist dictator detested by an important segment of the population. Col Gadhafi, like Saddam Hussein, is armed, dangerous, and almost incoherently defiant. Saddam promised to meet the invasion with "the mother of all battles". The Libyan dictator has vowed to make the entire Mediterranean region a real battlefield. The allies justify their attacks as aid for the legitimate Libyan opposition, and as protection for civilians endangered by the Libyan army's counterattacks. Two weeks ago, it appeared that the Gadhafi dictatorship was about to fall, as rebels advanced to within kilometres of Tripoli. The regime fought back, pushed back most of the opposition gains, and were on the verge last week of retaking Benghazi, Libya's second city and the centre of rebel power. The issue of whether to help Libyan rebels went to the United Nations last week. The Security Council, by a 10-0 vote, decided to authorise all means necessary to stop the Gadhafi army's advance - especially by military means, as the French President Nicolas Sarkozy noted. Five nations abstained. Among them were permanent members China and Russia - no surprise - as well as Germany, India and Brazil. Germany becomes the only important European nation to oppose both the Iraqi and Libyan wars. It is telling that US President Barack Obama was unable to convince even Brazil, the country he is visiting right now, to support the attacks. A protest by Brazilian socialists greeted his arrival, and police fired rubber bullets at the hostile crowd. Mr Obama had to cancel a public speech because security could not be guaranteed. [color:red]Libya is entirely Mr Obama's war, compared with the Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts started by his predecessor. The US military opposed taking action in Libya, but Secretary of State Hillary Clinton convinced Mr Obama to reject the Pentagon's advice.[/color] One hopes that Col Gadhafi goes quickly and that the UN-authorised attacks stop immediately at that happy time. [color:red]Thailand should be in the forefront of countries cheering his ouster. Col Gadhafi provided aid, comfort and terrorist training to the first generation of southern separatists in the 1970s. He also funded pro-terrorist activities inside Thailand.[/color] The world will be a better place with his departure. Hopefully the Libyan people will end up with a better regime. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hugh_Hoy Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Okay folks...to get back on topic: The "coalition" has substantially neutralized Libya's air defense system and has, at least temporarily, kept Benghazi from being overrun by the Libyan troops fighting off the rebels. So what is next? Will France, GB, and the US continue to fly sorties over Libya forever? What is the "end game"? Is it different for all "coalition" participants? Will we see ANY support from the so-called Arab League, or was it merely cheering on Westerners in hopes that they would fail and not get involved in other intra-Arab matters? (A big question mark seems to be hovering over what the Arab League is really doing in support of this "humanitarian" offensive.) Does the offensive action pass muster as far as the UN charter is concerned? Does US participation without US Congress approval pass Constitutional muster? HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardKing Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Does US participation without US Congress approval pass Constitutional muster? I suppose as much as Iraq did (given the justification was a pack of lies and this was known by the liars) and Pakistan is now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh_Hoy Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'm talking about Libya. Now, if you can not differentiate substantial differences, do some homework. How about the other questions I posed? HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckwoww Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Will France, GB, and the US continue to fly sorties over Libya forever? What is the "end game"? Is it different for all "coalition" participants? Will we see ANY support from the so-called Arab League, or was it merely cheering on Westerners in hopes that they would fail and not get involved in other intra-Arab matters? (A big question mark seems to be hovering over what the Arab League is really doing in support of this "humanitarian" offensive.) Does the offensive action pass muster as far as the UN charter is concerned? Does US participation without US Congress approval pass Constitutional muster? HH Now that the 'coalition' is essentially the rebel airforce I expect them to declare the Republic of Cyrenaica. Naturally they will want their new country to include a few oil wells and terminals. The Libyan government may have other plans so further efforts will be made to kill Ghadaffi. If it all works out OK for Israel and US oil companies you won't here too much muttering about constitutionality. Except from Ron Paul of course but everybody knows he's nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pom Michael Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Does US participation without US Congress approval pass Constitutional muster? That one is easy! Of course it does - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Just had a US plane crash...looks like no one killed in the crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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