The Covid-19 thread

[zzzz]

There’s a YouTube video of a guy playing  violin while intubated with Covid.  I had decided not to be intubated if I ever caught Covid. Now I’m having second thoughts.

 

[buffalo_bill]

Switzerland , fairly lazy so far with Covid-restrictions however decided that somel Uk tourists due to the late version of the virus had to pass a 10 day quarantine . Meaning for example a family 4 days in a hotel so far had to spend another 6 in one room with children , pets and grandfather samesame Thai style. Next morning of about 430 subjects involved only 12 could be found  in the rooms. The other ones had left the building. Well done, folks. I am with you.

[zzzz]

https://onemileatatime.com/american-teen-jailed-violating-quarantine/
 

An American teen was jailed recently in the Cayman Island for violating quarantine, not like Switzerland.

[passingthru69]

Yes, and then her snowflake mom, I believe was wanting Trump to try and intervine. Said the punishment was to hard...give me a break.

She broke the rules and knew what she was doing. Oh I tested neg. Before, I will be ok. 

[zzzz]

For some diseases, the treatment is worse than the disease, itself.   Medical error is the third leading cause of death in the US, behind cancer and heart disease.  It looks like the death rates for people with Covid is about 3%.  If death rates of untreated people with Covid is less than that from medical errors, then the treatment is worse than the disease.  Has anyone seen any data regarding death rates of untreated vs. treated people with Covid and death rates from medical errors?

[Coss]

Which brings a question to the fore : If someone is likely to die, do I stand there and watch? or do I try to prevent it?

[baa99]

8 hours ago, zzzz said:

For some diseases, the treatment is worse than the disease, itself.   Medical error is the third leading cause of death in the US, behind cancer and heart disease. ...

Do you have a cite for this? What I see is that accidents (vehicular, falls, drowning, etc.) is the 3rd leading cause of death.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are-medical-errors-really-the-third-most-common-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-2019-edition/

The claim that medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the US has always rested on very shaky evidence; yet it’s become common wisdom that is cited as though everyone accepts it. But if estimates of 250,000 to 400,000 deaths due to medical error are way too high, what is the real number? A study published last month suggests that it’s almost certainly a lot lower and has been modestly decreasing since 1990.

[cavanami]

[cavanami]

[Coss]

it would seem that Sweden's approach has resulted in, only delaying the inevitable.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/sweden-crisis-worsens-after-its-anti-lockdown-stance-proven-a-failure/SSQ4IDZ5UPTHMDWE3753KB43LU/

the following graph is lockdown levels.