Old Hippie Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 The USA has pissed off a lot of people, including their own citizens. The first road to recovery is probably to mend fences. When Pakistan and India got nuclear weapons, nobody gave a damn but now Iran wants some, a different policy. It should be one policy for everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Agree, it should be one policy. But, if Iran does get a nuke, what then? should someone intervene? what do you think they will do with it? especially if Isreal hits them in an attempt to take it out? Will Isreal make good on this threat? Will Iran make good on their's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Did anybody do anything when a million soldiers lined up along the India/Pakistan border? NO. Is it right that only certain contries can have nukes and others can not? This disparity in foreign policy is what probably fuels a lot of anamosity and hatred for the US. If Iran gets nukes, and if Israel strikes, which party would be more responsible? The country acquiring nukes or the country that already has nukes? If Israel attacks, would that look as an act of war or would it be looked at as doing a good thing? Laws should apply to everyone not to the ones we hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Current American foreign policy is all about defending the homeland and the american way of life, which includes consuming a great deal of the world's resources, I think the number is around 20% of fossil fuels for 5% of its population. Instead of taking the moral high ground and condeming the rest of the world to socialism and Islam, you need to imagine what shape the US economy will take. The US currently maintains its economic model through foreign intervention, notably preserving the dollar as the currency for oil, if this changes it all comes crashing down. This is what is meant by protecting American intrests abroad. Now if they were to stay home a number of things would probably happen. The ME would probably erupt into a full scale battle that would last for as long as we're all still alive. The Palestinians would probably defeat and occupy Isreal. China would invade Thaiwan. Oil prices would be unthinkable and the world economy would severly crash. Worrying when one country can be the cause and the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous_Dog Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 <> A whores a resource? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristianTroy Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I am going back to OHs OP, he said it very well. America is planning new nuclear power plants but forbids the Iran to do build only 1! The Iran having an atomic reactor wouldn't be threat to anyone. The alledged threat is that Iran could enrich plutonium (saves resources) and tranforms it into weapon compatible plutonium. Here we go... it is a process they can't do somewhere in a garage, it requires some high tech labs to do that and also to store it, it takes even longer to put that into a war head! France and Germany and the UN have said they would volunteer and brin in their own personal to observe every milimiter of the power plant, observer what goes in and out! Problem solved because the Iran has already agreed! No it is just propaganda pushed by the Bush Administration and it started a year ago. Of course the Iran President is a prick and misbehaves almost the entire time, which doesn't mean whe would be able to produce nukes! He can't do that just like that but that is the information Bush is not giving us! 9/11 justifies it all (alledgedly) it must be a heavens gift for Bush to have this alledged attacks on his own soil, now he got card blanche for everything he does! For every muslim they kill 3 others will join the terrorists and the revenge attacks will be bigger and bigger! Israel has illegal nukes from Russia, we should rather invadethese 2 countries, Iran wants to produce energy under the control of respected inspectors. Can someone see the bullshit? To be honest with you, I care more about these poor african countries where children have nothing to eat, where they get militarized at the age of 6 and run a round with a MG. That really concerns me. If the Iran or Israel would nuke eacht other out wouldn't bother me for once cent and not because I am an antisemtist, no because I am sick of their burning heart politics which I can't approve with! It would solve almost every problem in this area and america had a valid reason to get the Iran oil they want so badly! Back to the OPs question. Whatever you decide to do, interveine or doing nothing, people will die in masses, probably a good idea to get a hold on that oil before it happens or let "evolution" do the job! If the USA had at least the decency to explain how the Irans power plant would become a threat, they don't and therefore it is just propaganda and I am getting sick of listening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted January 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Well, yea, I agree that we are too selective in who we help...yet, it also seems the rest of the world is selective in who we should help also...example, don't help the kurds (that was never an objective) but help in Rawanda...we did not, and have been chastized for the failure to act...ok to fly over french airspace to bomb Germany, but not libya...etc, we cannot win. We are always wrong for acting, or not acting. Regarding nukes...frankly, 1 of 2 options, either we all have them, or no one has them...you use one on someone, someone can use them on you...have a function, one gets fired, from your country, and one automatically gets fired at you...stupid/chilish, but maybe the best solution, as most world leaders are stupid and childish... Regarding Iran, it does seem the UN etc are all on board to stop Iran from getting nukes...best solution might be to put UN forces in Iran, and haviong the French build the Nuclear plants as has been offered. The UN troops in Iran might also deter GWB's plan to invade Iran...and Isreali action...thus forcing America to do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Iran has already said it won't accept the UN's observers. Maybe the UN is supposed to invade Iran??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Nukes could be banned but the USA will never disarm. But then if disarming could work, who would enforce it? I think the real issue does not involve if Iran should or should not have nukes, but WHEN the USA should invade Iran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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