Guest lazyphil Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 i really really doubt you would be ostracized in the netherlands for not being a christian, very inplausable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Hi, Correct, would not happen in Holland, but try the US. Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogon Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Agnostic in the USA? This is a bit like if you were a suicide bomber... Better off saying you are whatever kind of religion or sect than saying you believe God does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 ...The Nazis weren't religious and tried to curtail the influence of christianity in their society... Eh? Better go back to your history books. The Nazis seemed to have worked with Pope Pius XII in Rome (at the very least, he turned a blind eye to them, but there seems to be a lot more to it than that). The slogan of the Wehrmacht was Got mid uns (God with us) and they wore that on their belt buckles! Cheers, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo_bill Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Sir , depending on how you explain what religious means you could as well come to the conclusion that the Nazis were religious . At least the inner circle developed kind of a tribal religion . If the Wehrmacht was as such " Nazi " would request another load of bandwidth . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogon Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Adolf had mixed feelings with christianity (and don't forget some Germans are reformed religion rather than catholic)... Knowing that the Vatican's archives about ww2 will not open before 6 years and will most certianly need 7-8 years before being examined in details we will never know the truth about how much the catholic church authorities were involved. About the wermacht being nazi: Most of the Wehrmacht soldiers were not hardcorenazi or evne member of the party but were good nationalist Prussians... But was the Wehrmacht nazi? Yes undoubtly especially in light of all the German studies -> the Wehrmacht followed the orders about ethnical cleaning in the East (and many units themselves committed mass murders), was the ordinary soldier a hardcore nazi? No, but the institution undoubtly followed the most extreme orders until the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 But was the Wehrmacht nazi? Yes undoubtly especially in light of all the German studies -> the Wehrmacht followed the orders about ethnical cleaning in the East (and many units themselves committed mass murders), was the ordinary soldier a hardcore nazi? No, but the institution undoubtly followed the most extreme orders until the end. That would be my take on it as well, not being a German (so my knowledge is limited), but as an educated and interested observer. I think very difficult to separate Nazis from Xtianity; tho' I am not for a second blaming Xtianity for Nazis. It is also understandable that Xtian believers have difficulties in believing this, so they rationalize the thoughts away ("Xtians couldn't do this, so Nazis couldn't be Xtians."). Cheers, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drogon Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 I am not German either but studied a lot WW2. (and I agree with most recent German and foreign studies studying the role of the Wehrmacht). There was until the nineties a belief that Waffen SS and SS = bad nazi who committed all the crimse and Wehrmacht the brave Prussian soldiers who fought to respect their oath... This myth has been destroyed especially after the exposition in Germany organized by the government listing the "crimes of the Wehrmacht". Were all Catholics = nazis? Not at all but this is a fact that many catholics were German soldiers and more than a few kapos or camp commanders were fervent catholics. The most important was the silence of the Catholic church throughout the war (even silencing the few priests who tried to tell the truth)... I guess the time of martyrs had passed when they did not denounce what happened...or my naughty side tends to think that maybe as the exterminated people were just "Jews, Polish, Russians etc..." it did not matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Didn't the Nazis see Christianity as a foreign faith and psychology imposed on Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 The Nazis threw plenty of ministers into concentration camps for not supporting them. e.g. Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Jehovah's Witnesses too, since they refused to support the military, let alone serve in it. Hitler had decided that Jesus's real father was a German serving in the Roman Legion in Israel. Adolf really seems to have wanted to return to the ancient Teutonic relgion of Thor, Woden, Freya etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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