cavanami Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Turn the prison into a work camp. Generate a profit, grow food, do something to generate income! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 most prisoners are able to return to normal life and be rehabilitated, i see no problem with this. i just fail to see why a clear cut case like fritzel or the yorkshire ripper for example just cant be put to death, they're of importance and need, human garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustian Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Lock em up' date=' prisons are one of the few growth industries these days and a public sector job is better than no job. [/quote'] I just did some very quick research so my numbers are not concrete but the average cost to keep a prisoner per year is around 20k-22k, give or take. Prison guards make anywhere from 23k in Mississpippi up to 61k in California. Plus whatever it costs to build the prison. As of last year, the U.S had over 2.3 million inmates. That is a HELL of a lot of tax dollars. I'm not saying to put them to death quicker or anything but just keeping them in jail for life is a waste of money if one can know for sure the right man is behind bars. But how many of those 2.3 are psychopaths who committed murder??? Under the 3 strikes rule, a lot of US citizens are doing "life" for lesser crimes than murder, which I think is a crazy system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustian Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Case today....sums up my feelings... Man freed after 27 years in jail http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7950303.stm A man who spent 27 years in jail for a murder he did not commit said he was "ecstatic" as he walked free from the Court of Appeal. Sean Hodgson saw his "unsafe" conviction for killing Teresa De Simone, 22, in her car in Southampton 30 years ago quashed by senior judges. Tests prove DNA from the scene was not his and police have reopened the case. Speaking outside court Mr Hodgson said it was "great to be free" while his brother said his release was a "dream". "On behalf of my brother, I would like to thank the solicitor a million, million times," Peter Hodgson said. "I've had a dream for 27 years. I know it's a hell of a long time, but it's finally come true." Mr Hodgson is one of the longest-serving victims of a miscarriage of justice in the UK. His solicitor Julian Young said: "I hope that the inquiry, that will undoubtedly take place, will find out how this happened and ensure it does not happen again." Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, and two other senior judges ruled that his 1982 conviction was "unsafe". The body of Miss De Simone, who had also been raped, was found partially clothed in the back seat of her Ford Escort in the car park beneath the Tom Tackle pub where she worked part-time. In his ruling, Lord Judge said: "The conviction will be quashed for the simple reason that advances in the science of DNA, long after the end of the trial, have proved a fact which... [would] have resulted in quite a different investigation and a completely different trial." He said that tests on sperm found at the scene proved it did not come from Mr Hodgson. "The Crown's case was that whoever raped her also killed her, so the new DNA evidence has demolished the case for the prosecution," Lord Judge added. He announced at the end of his judgement that Mr Hodgson would be "discharged" and there would be no new trial. 'Pathological liar' At the time of Mr Hodgson's trial, DNA tests were not available, with the first use of such evidence in court not taking place until 1986 in Leicester. Mr Hodgson, who is also known as Robert Graham Hodgson and is originally from County Durham, made various confessions to police before pleading not guilty at his trial at Winchester Crown Court. But his defence said he was a pathological liar and the confessions were untrue. The prosecution had also been supported during the trial by the fact that blood type analysis available at the time showed that material recovered at the scene belonged to a man with blood of either group A or AB. Police vow to pursue the investigation Mr Hodgson was in that category along with roughly a third of the male population. Hampshire Police and the Forensic Science Service undertook a comprehensive forensic case review in November 2008 after requests from Mr Hodgson's legal team. It discovered that DNA evidence found at the scene did not match a sample given by Mr Hodgson. In the light of new evidence, the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) decided to refer Mr Hodgson's case to the Court of Appeal because it considered that there was a "real possibility that the court would consider the conviction unsafe and quash it". Det Ch Insp Philip McTavish, from Hampshire Police, said: "Mr Hodgson was convicted by a jury on evidence which included his own admissions to a clergymen, prison officers and police. There were also a number of other strands. "Hampshire Constabulary has consequently started a reinvestigation into the murder of Teresa De Simone and this is aimed at identifying the owner of the DNA profile. "We are fully committed to pursuing this investigation." The Crown Prosecution Service did not oppose the appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Your scenario is to wide open. Yes, I saw it happen, but the jury didn't...but o.k. moot point on that...as for what I think should happen...? which is worse, killing him, or sending him to prison where he will be used by the inmates in the same manner in which he used the girl, including maybe being killed by them...? Going back to your scenario...the problem is, most people don't see a crime like this while it is being committed, the jury has to rely on evidence...which can be fucked from the start. And as I said, the stats speak for themselves, statistically speaking, we have executed innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simie Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 LP, the problem is that at the time I'm sure most the miscarriages of justice where considered "clear cut cases" by the authorities and press etc? I think the chance of executing an innocent person is just not acceptable. And after all are'nt we supposed to be moving on as we in theory become more civilised? Don't forget at one time we had to transport people to Oz for stealing a loaf of bread, now some people will actually pay to go there?! Simie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobbledonk Posted March 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Different story for a black guy Like OJ, huh ? OK, Beano, I quoted you out of context and you are (mostly) right - the poor get it in the neck when John Law gets his hands on them. I'm not sure if it has been sorted, but there were people who were still in jail years after Katrina because the paperwork had been lost in the aftermath - many claimed that they were serving time for non-payment of parking fines and, worse, some had simply been thrown in the 'drunk tank' overnight, to find themselves still there 3 years later. Thats one bangup system you Americans have, and the prison population will only get bigger while there is a financial incentive for private corporations to house more prisoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shygye Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 It is better to sentence the "innocent" to death by natural causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Plenty of options if they're healthy enough: mine clearance in Iraq or Afganistan, point man on patrols and convoys, guinea pigs for medical research etc. Unfortunately, I know how effed up the US justice system is. The innocent are convicted far too often. Money walks (e.g. Michael Jackson) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 is this the www aww because without fail almost every thread on crime and punishment reverts to the american experience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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