Bangkoktraveler Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 You make a good point nobody else is noticing .... the airport is suppose to be secured, but apparently it is not. Bangkok could end up being a country of origin for terrorist to travel to other parts of the world without fear of being detected due to the corruption at the airport. There is a link between (a) corruption and ( terrorism. The US authorities certainly believe htere is a link. The classic incident involving airports was the incident involving terrorists from Chechnya that smuggled bombs onto a plane at the Moscow airport. It was apparantly well known that you could avoid the line to clear security and the metal detector by paying US$50. They did so, got on a plane, and it blew up in mid-air killing all on board. The people who handle security for airlines and governments will know more about this and how dangerous this sort of corruption is at an international airport. I am sure the scam stories at Bangkok's international airport - particularly after the security forces essentially permitted protestors to occupy the airport - have not only caught the attention of the press. This is also an aviation security issue, which is not good for Thailand in this post 9/11 world.. There must be a standard International Airports must adhere to, if there is, what are the rules and how close is Thailand to that of getting their certification yanked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadfly Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 You say I twist the facts to make a point. Well let's go do your link, and what do we see: On the day of the bombings the bombers were stopped in the airport by the police captain Mikhail Artamonov to be searched for weapons and for identification. They were accompanied by two male Chechens, the four of them arrived to Moscow on a flight from Makhachkala. According to the prosecution, Artamonov let them go without doing the search, and has been charged with criminal negligence. The prosecution asked the judge to give him 6 years of imprisonment, and on June 30, 2005 he was convicted of negligence and sentenced to 7 years of imprisonment. Yes, and the ticket seller was also alleged to have sold tickets without procuring proper ID. So what? But it gets better, from your same source: a ticket checker (security purpose) was also bribed. If there is corruption at the airport, if you cannot trust the personnel work there - be they ticket sellers, or ticket chekers or security personnel - how can you trust the airport's safety and security measures. Stay on point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Why does everything need to be conscrewed as conspiratorial? It's more fun that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gadfly Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Yeah, I wonder about that too. Irrespective, none of this looks good, and you know state and private security agencies look very seriously at these sorts of matter these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiHome Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I was staying on point, you are the one that strayed off by connecting KP personnel and the local police force (not airport security) involved in a racket to get bribes from alleged shoplifters to let them go, and airport security. You claimed that the Chechens that blew up the plane paid $50 US to get by security and because that was some how a similar situation to the KP shoplifting racket it brought into doubt the security at the Bangkok airport. Not only were your facts on the Chechen plane bombing wrong, but the KP racket is not in anyway connected to airport security. The police involved are the local police who are not responsible or involved in anyway with airport security. TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Yeah, I wonder about that too. Irrespective, none of this looks good, and you know state and private security agencies look very seriously at these sorts of matter these days. If an airport is not safe from the criminal element, what is safe? Considering how easy it was to take over the airport, I got a strange feeling others must be wondering about that plus the recent allegations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustian Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well, seeing as baggage also gets opened and valuables removed, seemingly regularly and without any arrests or monitoring, I'd say the airport is a total nightmare, security wise. It appears we have crooks in the shops, crooks in the police and crooks in the baggage, all with various scams running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiHome Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I have to laugh when people compare the PAD take over of the airport to a “terrorist attackâ€Â. No matter what you’re political leanings on this, any objective analysis of what happened that evening would show there is no way this could construed as a “terrorist attackâ€Â. By sheer coincidence I happen to witness the PAD caravan on the expressway on its way to the airport. They were accompanied by full police escort that though they did not close the road as with normal VIP caravans, they were leading the way the entire time and did open the toll booths for them to go through (and they didn’t even pay the toll). It should also be noted that there were no incursion into the airside part of the airport which is why it was able to re-open the next day, despite predications it would take weeks to restore it. TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamui Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well, seeing as baggage also gets opened and valuables removed, seemingly regularly and without any arrests or monitoring, I'd say the airport is a total nightmare, security wise. It appears we have crooks in the shops, crooks in the police and crooks in the baggage, all with various scams running. I am with Faustian on this: There are several grave security issues at the airport, which give the impression that scammers and thieves are operating in all areas of the airport (baggage theft, scams in the secure travelers area, taxi scams in the public area, plus the government allowing the takeover and shut down of the airport by an informal political group). Over all it seems that international as well as domestic laws and rules can be breaches easily by concerned groups: airport staff, political groups, mafia and even the police. To have police and mafia in the same list shows how grave the problem is. In regard to terrorists: I am not sure about this matter, since as far as I know the terrorists doesn't seem to have connections to the above mentioned groups. It doesn't fit in the over all picture. While there were serious attacks in the Muslim part of LOS, but until no powerful attacks in BKK. Local terrorists doesn't seem to be willing or able to attack the power centers in LOS. PS: In regard to stolen items, I read somewhere that the AOT is hiring more security and that they are installing cameras in the areas concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I have to laugh when people compare the PAD take over of the airport to a “terrorist attackâ€Â. No matter what you’re political leanings on this, any objective analysis of what happened that evening would show there is no way this could construed as a “terrorist attackâ€Â. By sheer coincidence I happen to witness the PAD caravan on the expressway on its way to the airport. They were accompanied by full police escort that though they did not close the road as with normal VIP caravans, they were leading the way the entire time and did open the toll booths for them to go through (and they didn’t even pay the toll). It should also be noted that there were no incursion into the airside part of the airport which is why it was able to re-open the next day, despite predications it would take weeks to restore it. TH Never said the take over was a terrorist attack. What I said was when an airport's security can be compromised so easily, what prevents real terrorist from using this weakness to get to go to other countries so as to do their thing? Airport thefts should not exist, but they do. Find out who is doing the stealing and blackmail them to do bad shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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