Flashermac Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Yeah ... to defend their New Hampshire land grants against those folks with land grants from New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Unfortunately, the old saying "money talks, bullshit walks" is true in politics. Lobbyists/special interests and their monies are heard at 100+ decibels; citizens are often not audible. Thankfully, the ballot box in three states in the last four months has allowed the citizens, however briefly, to be heard. HH Definitely agree about the last three states but I would also suggest the presidential election and the corresponding congressional elections were the same sentiment. It doesn't matter if its Dem or Republican. Whomever has been in the district or state forever is thought of as part of the problem not the answer. Staunchly Republican districts that were thought sacrosanct went Demorcat along with Obama. Its not a party thing its a general feeling of discontent with everyone who is in Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Honestly..at this point I don't think health care' date=' jobs, the economy, wars, terrorism...none of these are the worst problem facing America, because these are all problems that can be solved if we work together. Our worst problem is that we refuse to work together. The GOP especially seem to be much more intent on destroying this President than in solving any of these probelms. As long at that continues we have no hope of dealing with the other issues.[/quote'] Nice post. Well, up to a point I agree with Dave. However, Dave (a "progressive") seems to be a dyed-in-wool socialist who believes that Government should solve all problems, when, IMO, Government is the source of many of these problems. Of course, those who are fiscally conservative are going to oppose the initiatives of a socialist (Obama). It's not a matter of wanting to see Obama (personally) to fail, as much as it is wanting some of his initiatives to fail. It's a shame that there is such a divide between the two major parties. Polarization/intransigency seem to increase with each meeting of Congress. It has been going on for a few decades now. It's also a shame that it took Obama a year and three ass-kickings in the Senate for the Prez to do more than talk about working together. Looks like some "bi-partisan" meetings are scheduled for the White House on jobs and health care. If neither side shows some willingness to compromise, nothing will be done. That is not to say that "nothing" isn't better than "something". HH On one hand I would agree with some or most of what you say. On the other hand, the reality is, private business cannot be trusted to keep it's word. Look at revocation of retiree medical benefits and pension defaults by employers. Simply put, there should be some laws/government actions to ensure workers are protected and that those who default are held accountable. Sadly this is not currently the case. Technically, the current pension protection farce, the Pension Benefit guarantee corporation (PBGC) is what you an many others would deem "socialist." That is tax payers bailing out pension funds that were improperly managed and/or defaulted on. Oddly the same people who are against this "socialist" bail out, are also against the government regulating the pension funds to make sure employers do not mismanage them, underfund them, or just plain ignore them... The government allows employers a lot of abuse and negligence in handling pensions, and then turns around and bails them out...and then allows CEOs to take large bonuses...so what is the alternative here? because frankly the current mess blows chunks. Have controls and people bitch that it is government interfering, have bail outs when the funds go broke because no one enforced the protections or regulations, and this is "Socialism" do nothing and the employees get screwed even worse...there has to be a better way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Everybody is pissed off at the gummint. The latest poll showed 57% of [color:blue]independents[/color] disapproved of Obama's performance. That should send the Dems a wake up call, since the Dems have to get the majority of the indies to win presidential elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 There is an evil collusion between bankers and politicians...why? The US government prints US Treasury Bonds, the (non) Federal Reserve holds these bonds as collateral and then the Federal Reserve prints the US currency and gives it to the US government, charging interest...why the fuck doesn't the US government print the money? avoid the interest which ALWAYS keeps the US government in debt??? The US government could abolish the Federal Reserve, print the money and retire ALL the US debt in 1 ~ 2 years, then lower taxes and fucking get things fixed...but this would piss off the bankers who give mega $$$ to the politicians...so there you have it, not a theory but FACT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pom Michael Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Cav, You bring this up all the time - Fed - and I'm not sure if Wiki is a good source for this. According to the board of governors: "It is not 'owned' by anyone and is 'not a private, profit-making institution'. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects." For sure it is much more complicated than you make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Yes, it is a bit complicated because that is the way they want it to be, but in reality it is simple. As for Wiki, not true. Who got the Fed setup: Henry Davison, Charles Norton, Abraham Andrew, Ben Strong, Pual Warburg, Frank Vanderlip and Sen. Nelson Aldrich. Aldrich was the only government person involves, the rest were bankers and this group comprised 25% of the world's wealth, at this time in history. In short, what has the Fed done, since it started in 1913? 1929 crash 1934 (?) Great Depression Black Thursday Today's recession and many more and much worse then just these few items! One of the worst is that the US dollar has been devalued, leading to gross inflation! All facts, no theory...and this was at least the third time that a "Fed" was attempted to be setup in the US gov, Andrew Jackson ran the first attempt off, Lincoln was killed when he issued the SUCCESSFUL "greenbacks", Harding died shortly after he made his stand against a central bank, etc, etc, etc. So, yes, get rid of the unneeded Fed, educate the people as my guess is that 99% have no idea of what the Fed or any central bank is/does and that goes for the folks in the UK, Germany, France, etc...but I'm a Tin Head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Edit: Andrews was some ass't sec in the US gov. The 99% is just a WAG from my pea brain. Also, 1921 crash Recessions in 53, 57, 69, 75 and 81. Black Monday in 87. The video "The Money Masters" is over 3 1/2 hours of quotes, history and an international coverage of the dismal effect of central banks on the world. My head hurt after taking two evenings to watch all this info... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashermac Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Tin hat time! :content: Evil is as evil does The Shadow knows! Free the people! You say you want a revolution ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cavanami Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Good links Flash! How much gold is in Fort Knox? last time they did an audit was 1953, when President Ike ordered it. 57 years ago??? How about an audit of the Fed...never done and bitterly opposed by our sell-out politicians! Only Ron Paul is beating the drum and few follow him. Mr. Tin Head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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