tonychang Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 cheers guys and gals am currently enjoyin this thred...kinda keeps me sane..went on a bad one last night but for personal reasons and am now regretting it.so thanks to GTG and daeng birely for injecting some sanity into my life.personaaly i wound never cheat on the misses but I know the attraction aswell as anyone on this board.good luck to you all but its the first time I,ve read shit and taken notice.daeng bireley you are a wize man indeed but do you practice what you preach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodthaigirl Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 007, >Nobody wanted to be a prosititue if they have a chance What I've been arguing all along is THERE IS A CHANCE ! though limited with less money. Please don't say that there is no chance. You and I know fully well that there is. GTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodthaigirl Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 khunsanuk, >You are right, this thread is valid and yes it is a few individuals that are fucking it up. Is it me or is it me? I need to know. GTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodthaigirl Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Sorry everybody I am a lot behind in this thread. I have to admit sometimes I have better things to do. ...like THE WORLD CUP FINAL and MY WORK ! So please forgive me that I made you think that I 'hit and run'. I didn't mean too. HIGH THAIED, I know you have left the building but I don't care. >You argue every single point. What's wrong with that????????????? >I try to say Thailand is a class structured society (obviously to say low class does not have that many options available to them), and you say "So...Thailand-US same-same. US has Rockerfellers"......I must tell you, I expected better from you here. As you very well know, Thailand has no welfare, social security, affermative action programs for racial minorities...nothing. For God's sake you think I didn't know THAT. Give me some credit. I was just pointing out that other societies also have class structure as well- not just Thai. Your tone was like it is disgusting that Thailand has the class structure. No one wants it but it's everywhere in different forms and contexts. >You are born poor in Thailand, and there are not many ropes to grab onto to pull yourself out. You act as though a dark-skinned Isaan girl with little education can simply walk into Robinson's, and be working the floor the next day. Sorry, I was talking about TTM's gf. She's got 9 years education and should be able to get that kind of job. I'm not in an ivory tower, you know. >I asked you what 'class you came from? You tell me your fathers roots are from poor Isaan background. Talk about skirting the issue?.... I didn't ask about your father's background, I asked about yours. Didn't it say somthing about me? Sorry, I thought you could guess or at least have read one of my posts telling my background. Shit I have to say it AGAIN. I'm from a modest middle class background. OK? >Tell parents to F##K off. - I do understand what you are saying here, to a degree. Of course, parents tell girl "You go work BKK, and send us money, ok", that the girl will not be happy with this situation. My point is, how many options are afforded them to say no, particulary with the Thai culture of being responsible to your parents for all the pain they went through to raise you. You use the word 'selling'. In a way, because of the pressure put upon girl, you are right. But I see this situation more of a point in my defense, as to why they go this route, than yours. Selling. They are human and should not be sold. This happens often with very young girls, say 11-13 years old. But if the bg in question is over 18 yo she sould be able to THINK FOR HERSELF. I know many Isan girls did that to their parents. They refused to do what they were told. When they can earn some money, they are independent and can do whatever they want. Especially when they work in Bkk their parents can't bug them anymore, too far away. They send some mony back home but not that much if they would have made from working as a bg. But too bad they don't want to be a bg and their parents have to accept that. >GTG, your view that most Thai girls enter into prositution because it is just the easy way out, is just too simplistic, in my opinion. There are soooo many factors at play there. There is a different story for every one. I agree. Like money, money , and money. Just kidding. I understand and sympathise for them if the girls have many children and they can't support all of them. But for single girls with some education like ...you know who I'm taking about , right?, it's pathetic. >You very much have the right to feel that a Thai girl can rise above any diversity, and accomplished what you have. I'm just trying to say that there are barriers that exist for them that you seem to be unaware of, or at the very least, refuse to acknowlege. Unaware of ? Please spare that ! I've read many articles/researches in Thai that most of you farangs don't have a chnace to read, except the ones that can read Thai (Good for you.). I'm well aware of that. >I know it can be tough for you to be here sometimes, and you get a lot of shit thrown your way. Thank you for being understanding but DON'T PATRONISE ME. >I know you love your job. You are the sole atheist in the Church of Thai Bar Girls. But with that job comes responsibility. To be really effective, and be made pastor, you need to speak 'authoritively' only about that which you have experienced, refrain from one line 'hit and run' posts which you know will create a firestorm, As I said earlier, I didn't mean to 'hit and run' but sometime I just want to have a life. But having said that I've seen something good out of it. I've seen some of the posters share my view. Sometime, I just didn't want to reply because someone just spoke my mind ! >but then immediately disappear, and lastly, but not least....have compassion for your congregation. We are lost soles that must be saved. Hellelujah ! >This can only be accomplished though tolerance, an understanding of differing points of view, and a realization that many members of your church have experienced much of what you may not know of, or care to. But it doesn't mean that I have to agree with them. >Parishioner HT GTG (Lost sheep ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodthaigirl Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 pattaya127, >Wasn't it a 4 weeks ago that GTG got grumpy again? Come on, guys, leave her alone, you know how that is..... How do you know how that is you're not a woman That's ok if you needed to 'bite' (¡Ñ´) me like this but you can't get it up and run out of your viagra????????? >PS: sorry, GTG, it's called a leitmotiv. I can't resist again..... Someone cares to explain what it means? GTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodthaigirl Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 think_too_mut, >Khun Sanuk, I know you are a chainsaw doctor, not a gynecologyst. But you can have a look. One of your patients here needs your attention. Hope your tools are appropriate and don't hurt too mut. Why TTM? You don't want your dick any more? Sorry , couldn't help it. GTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodthaigirl Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 MadMax, >TTM posted about a fragment of his life. When I read his post, what I perceived was a sense of struggle, a sense of accomplishment, a sense of hope. I think his gf is struggling more?? If she's not on time +/- 10 mins her financial assistant might go down the drain. Very loving bf/potential hubbie indeed. Yeh, it's the price she's willing to pay , I guess. >You came in barging sideways, with a personal attack on TTM, based on some personal information--I'm not even sure if the information is private or public. In effect, you publicly ridiculed him, using the content (and the title) of his post as your weapon. Sideways. Sorry, I thought I was hitting on the nail, really. >You are entitled to all your opinions about bargirls, marriage, mia nois, etc. You are entitled to bring your perspective to all threads, in a respectful manner. You are also entitled to open your own threads and discuss these issues. >However, based on the rules of this board (if I understand them correctly) you are not entitled to barge into a thread with verbally abusive posts. It is particularly insensitive to do so in the "Relationships" section where people reveal personal things and make themselves vulnerable. The only way to discuss relationships is in an environment of trust. Is it so, moderator? "Environment of trust" part? >You have repeatedly violated this implicit trust by making personal attacks. In Thalenoi's thread you did so to such degree that he felt it was best to ask the moderator to close the thread. And that's not fair. Some board members did say so ( or similar thing like that.) >You immediately opened another thread with the title referring back to Thailenoi and his thread. Can you show a little more respect to your fellow board members? Have you told this to other board members? Or it is just me being and stupidly chosing the name GTG? GTG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Gun Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Hmmm, interesting stuff all this, wish I had started reading it earlier! So? I believe the US also has a class structure society somewhat divided by MONEY more than BLOOD. Blood still counts in your society but relatively less compared to somewhere else. Who's made money the most has the previledge of being a new kind of 'dynasty' in my opinion. the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, etc. They get different treatment, etc. Old money and new money is also used to divided these two groups. I'm sure it's the same in other countries as well. But that is a big difference, GTG, and I think that what frustrates a lot of people about the Thai structure is that it is so inflexible, people are born into whatever strata and it is incredibly hard for them to break out of it. In the US (and you may remember I am not American) it seems that people can make it to the top from wherever they start, opportunities are plentiful, doors are not permanently barred, people applaud and admire those who do it the hard way whereas in Thailand, it seems to an outsider at least, that whatever people manage to do they will still be looked upon with disdain if they were born on the wrong side of the tracks My dad comes from a poor Issan village, how about that? He?s come a long way. Our relatives works hard to get where they are now. I guess I know what I?m talking about Then I think what disappoints people at times (and I know you don?t just come here for people?s approval) is that you don?t seem to recognize how fortunate you were that they did work so hard. Had you not started where you did then I really don?t think you could have achieved what you have no matter how hard you worked. You just seem to show so little compassion for your fellow Thais. Did I say that? Think not ! You assumed that I thought that with her 10 year education she would get more money working in a regualr job thatn being a bg. What I was saying was she could get ?better? job eg. Salesgirls, etc. But she chose to be a bg because of the money. You use money as the reason to choose your occupation. We are talking about prostitution and regular job here. A lot of you think they are the same. But I think not. This is the basic of our discussions. I am sorry, GTG, but you are totally out of order here. You are guilty of stereotyping of the worst kind. You have no idea of what lay behind the decision that THIS girl made to take on the work that she did, and what else she had tried before. Sure, money was probably a consideration but how dare you presume to know exactly what SHE was thinking. You have no idea of what other pressures were being brought to bear upon her, or anyone else. >You encounter friction here for basiclly one reason. You are sitting on a pedistal which from which you preach, that is unaccessable to the average Thai girl. Sorry, I don?t understand what you are trying to say. Please clarify it. (Problem with ?friction? and ?pedistal which from which you preach?) fric·tion Pronunciation Key (fr k sh n) n. 1. The rubbing of one object or surface against another. 2. Conflict, as between persons having dissimilar ideas or interests; clash. The second part refers to your tendency to sound like you are talking down to people from a position of moral superiority. >While it's very easy for you to spout the virtues of what other Thai girls should be doing with their life to improve it, you have never had to walk in their shoes. Lucky you! I?ve said it before and I?ll say it again that my family is not rich. I was able to get my MA. Overseas because I WORKED HARD for it. Nothing comes for free for me. My family has experienced several financial crisis and I almost had to leave my school. It really scared out of me. So I worked harder. Yes, my background is not that ?poor? compared to your bgs. But I know somewhat the hardship and what it takes to get through it. I believe if they don?t want to be a bg and willing to work other regualr job for less money they can do it. But sadly they choose to work as prostitute. Nobody is saying that you have had it all easy but you open yourself to ridicule here when you compare your hardship with that of the average Issan farmgirl. 'almost had to leave my school', eh!?! How does that compare to someone who never manages to get to school because it is on the other side of the river from the remote village they grew up in, or the many who are removed from school (I don't think many 11/12 year olds make that decision not to enter secondary school) because they are needed to help at home or on the farm and the small amount of money needed to keep them there is just not available. >I would think you would be more sympathetic to fellow Thai girls disadvantaged by object poverty, and applaud board members here who have been willing to shape their whole world around someone they found special, overlook their past, and commit thier lives to. In this case , as I said she can get decent job working as a salesgirl but chose to be a bg. I sympathise to the ones who do it because they have NO EDUCATION and A LOT OF BURDEN like having several kids of their own but not to the ones who have better chance but still being a bg. This is exactly what I meant earlier about your inability to accept people trying to make something better, trying to improve their life after they have made a decision they may have come to regret. The way you talk, once a girl has chosen to work in the sex industry she has to stay there. This girl seems to be trying to do something with that education now, and improve her prospects but you seem unwilling to allow her to without slagging her off for something she chose to do years before. You don?t have to ?sympathize? but you could stop sneering for a while and give her a chance. LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Gun Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 I know you are feeling good rescuing a bg and obviously are bragging about your own accomplishment. But is it a good way to boose your ego? May be it is - I don't know. Look, I'm a cynical old bugger and I believe that EVERYBODY does EVERYTHING because, in the long run, it makes them feel better or they believe that they will be rewarded for it later on. However, there do seem to be ways of moderating your behaviour so that your own pleasure doesn't actually impinge on other people's and maybe it can actually give them some pleasure too. I think all TMT was trying to do was show that it is possible to make a difference, however small, without a great deal of self-sacrifice. What do you actually think about your country, GTG? Do you think that everything is working as well as it should? Economically? Politically? Sociologically? No?!? Then what are YOU doing to improve things? Seems to me that we've been reading an example of how change can be achieved on a very modest scale but it does seem that something is improving for someone, so why knock it? MadMax was asking me (earlier in this thread or another similar one?) to repost something I wrote ages ago, about this idea of 'making a difference'. You''ll like it because it's very personal and will give you lots of opportunities to criticise my wife for the decisions she once made, and of course myself for 'bragging about my accomplishments'. Rather than hog this thread I will open a new one though. LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 Hi, "Is it me or is it me? I need to know." Aren't we mature again today.... Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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