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  1. Hi, Guys, why are you so obsessed with this thread? Why want it locked? Don't like it, just don't bloody read it. Sanuk!
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  2. I do enjoy this guys vlogs. I pretty much disagree with everything he says. But this is very interesting. PS I do like his autoplay video on his home page. I do like his not monetizing the internet
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  3. The result of today's education system ... Ooh Say, Can You...Read? 10 Non-'Racist' Statues Targeted By Historically Illiterate Protesters https://www.mrctv.org/blog/oh-say-can-you-read-9-non-racist-statues-targeted-historically-illiterate-protesters?fbclid=IwAR3HXE9IC1Zq_XJgJVCEaLs58ServvYqUkMZBnTS_171qusCAsbu1rdxD2s
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  4. The way things are at the moment,we’re more likely to die of boredom than a virus.
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  5. You know the worn out, full off holes 30 year pullover that you can’t bring yourself to throw away? This board is the same, just comfortable
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  6. I had dinner with some people who hail from middle eastern parts yesterday, and they were as shocked as the rest of us are. These folk are such kind people, that they volunteer at the local community centre, to help in any way that they can. The father is taking weekly bible classes, because his intellectual curiosity is piqued and he wants to learn about Christianity so that he understands it better. They describe themselves as modern Muslims, their daughter is a doctor and a friend.
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  7. Coss Seems to slight confusion on how we both define "Social Welfare" but I will give you my definition based on the UK model which I happen to be au fait with. Whilst Health, Education, Pensions and Defense etc come from UK Central Government Expenditure they are not what are defined as "Social Welfare" or "Benefits. These include, but are not limited to, Tax Credit, Housing Benefit, Child Benefit, Disability Living Allowance, Income Support, Incapacity Benefit, Job Seekers Allowance, Council Tax Benefit, Unemployment Benefit and so on, there are approximately over 60 different benefits which can be claimed, and the benefits scroungers know them the best. There are people in the UK who have never done a days work in their life, never paid into the system yet are taking from it. Millions of Immigrants flocking to the UK being given Social Housing and many of the 60 odd benefits I have mentioned, Like WTF is all that about, and you wonder why I got pissed with my, the Tax Payers. money being squandered by successive governments , hence the reason why I packed my bags and fucked off.
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  8. "is there will always be people who take the piss out of the system" Yes and sometimes the cost of those people is worth bearing, for the good of the whole. A year and some months ago, I had a stroke. Because we have an efficient Ambulance system, I got not one, but two rides to two different hospitals in very quick time, straight into the operating room and they pulled the clot. Kept me in over night, I reckon I'm 98~99% back to normal. Slightly better than normal as I've taken up Kayak fishing as a health kick and I eat a lot of primo fish and I am fitter as a result. All of this without regard to my financial circumstances or whether or not I am taking the piss... I am alive and grateful. Looking after yer peasants is not always a bad thing, indeed if you don't look after yer peasants, you'll be lynched eventually.
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  9. Michael O’Leary, Chief Executive of Ryanair after arriving in a hotel in Manchester went to the bar and asked for a pint of Guinness. The barman said, "That will be £1 please, Mr. O’Leary." Taken aback, O'Leary replied, "That's very cheap," and handed over his money. "We do try to stay ahead of the competition", said the barman. "We have the cheapest beer in England". "That is remarkable value", Michael comments. "I see you don't have a glass, you'll need one of ours. That will be £3 please." O'Leary scowled, but paid up. He took his drink and walked towards a seat. "Ah, you want to sit down?" said the barman. "That'll be an extra £2. If you'd pre-booked it would have cost £1." O'Leary swore to himself, but paid up. "I see you've brought your laptop" added the barman. "That wasn't pre-booked either, that's another £3." O'Leary was so incensed and his face was red with rage. "I've had enough! I insist on speaking to a manager!" "Here is his e-mail address, or if you wish, you can contact him between 9.00 am and 9.01am every morning, Monday to Tuesday. Calls are free, unless answered, then there is a charge of only £1 per second". "I will never use this bar again". "OK but do remember, we are the only hotel in England selling pints for £1."
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  10. In case the subject on the left is his "girlfriend" any further penalisation should be prescinded from in the name of humanity.
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  11. New Yers Resolutions, I will Exercise more, I Will Drink Less I will stop Smoking, why do people make false promises to themselves which no chance of keeping? Why presure oneself just because it is New Year? One has another 364 days of the year to make a lifestyle change. Look at me, self confessed heavy smoker, smoking for about 40 years now at th last count on over 2 packs per day, you won’t hear me say “I will stop smoking for New Year” Why? I chose to give up 1 Month ago that’s why, It was a Saturday Morning, no stress from work and an easy date to remember 1 December, I have been threatening to stop just just said “Kong Stop ya fool” no time like the present. So as people are waking up tomorrow and struggling with their resolutions, especially smoking, I can have a wee smile to myself and think, “I know th hell you ar going through, been there” stick in there those who are trying it does get easier if I can do it so can anyone. My NY Resolution 2019 is to continue what I refrained form in 2018, no pressure since I am already not doing it
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  12. Two Marines are driving through Kabul The Marine driving says "Had the best Afghan girl last night" The second Marine says "Really!! Tell me more" Marine driving says "She was fantastic. Fucked her pussy. Fucked her ass so hard" Second Marine says "Did you get a blowjob?" Marine driving says "Nah...couldn't find her head"
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  13. The USA Thread is in the NON-THAILAND News sub-Forum therefore your posting refers to any currency other than THB! I wonder if it is too late to change my screen name to “Devil’s Advocate”? 555
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  14. The lying, traitor Joe Biden!!!! THESE 3 PHONES NOW PROVE JOE IS A FOREIGN AGENT & THE LAPTOP IS LEGIT. [BANNON/FRANK LUNTZ/DEBATE]
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  15. Tucker Carlson is potentially the most dangerous man in America.
    2 points
  16. One of the founders of The Lincoln Project, the group of Republicans who fight against tRump making a mockery of what their party stands for. I've always said, Republicans are far better at politics than the Democrats because they have to be. If everyone voted, Republicans would lose the White House, the House of Representatives every single time and would barely avoid a super majority of the Senate. So, they have to be better for their own survival and they are great at it. That's why The Lincoln Project are far better at going after Trump than the Democrats. Far, far better. They know how to find dirty, get to your inner voice and crush it. Donald Trump came for Steve Schmidt (founder of Lincoln Project) on Twitter this morning. It did not go well. This is Steve’s reply: "You’ve never beaten me at anything. This is our first dance. Did you like, Covita? We are so much better at this than your team of crooks, wife beaters, degenerates, weirdos and losers. You are losing. We heard you loved Evita. You saw it so many times. Where will you live out your years in disgrace? Will you buy Jeffrey Epstein’s island? One last extra special deal from him? Or will you be drooling on yourself in a suite at Walter Reed? Maybe you will be in prison? I bet you fear that. The Manhattan District Attorney may not be around to cover for you or your crooked kids anymore. Eliza Orlins doesn’t believe in different sets of rules for the Trumps. What about the State Attorney General? You know what you’ve done. Oh, Donald. Who do you owe almost $500 million in personally guaranteed loans to? It's all coming down. You think you and your disgusting family are going to be in deal-flow next year? Are you really that delusional? You are lucky Chris Wallace interrupted you after Joe Biden said you weren’t smart. You started to melt down. That’s the place that hurts the most. Right? Fred Sr., knew it. You’ve spent your whole life proving it. You aren’t very smart. You couldn’t take the SAT on your own. What was the real score? 970? We both know you know. Are the steroids wearing off? Is the euphoria fading? Do you feel foggy? Tired? Do you ache? How is the breathing? Hmmm. Are you watching TV today? We will have some nice surprises for you. Everyone is laughing at you. You are a joke. A splendid moron turned deadly clown. Did you watch Martha McSally in her debate against American hero, fighter pilot, test pilot, astronaut Capt. Mark Kelly? She is so embarrassed by you. She is ashamed and full of self-loathing for the choice she made in following you over the cliff. She is in free fall now. She will lose, like most of them, because of you. We hear from the White House and the campaign everyday. They are betraying you. They are looking to get out alive and salvage careers and their names. It’s Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner vs. Donald Trump Jr., and Kimberly Guilfoyle on the inside. They are at war over scraps and who gets to command what will be the remnants of your rancid cult. It’s almost over now. You are the greatest failure in American history. You are the worst president in American history. Disgrace will always precede your name. Your grandchildren and great-grandchildren will grow up ashamed of their names. One day, I suppose there will be some small and not-much-visited library that bears your name. It will be the type of place where a drunk walks by, staring at the wall for a minute, before deciding it is beneath his dignity to piss on. That’s what is waiting for you. Joe Biden is a better man. He’s smarter. He’s winning. Do you remember when you didn’t want to name Donald Trump Jr., Donald because you were worried about him being a loser named Donald? You were right about that. He is. But it is you who will be remembered as America’s greatest loser. You will be crushed in the election. Shhhhhhhh." 11
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  17. His hard core support won't change. They don't care. He is feeding their xenophobic and bigoted fears and give them the comfort they will not lose their status in America. That's all that matters. He can raise their taxes, take their healthcare, do whatever the hell he wants, fuck little girls, fuck his daughter, shoot a man on fifth avenue, be extorted by Russia or China, help kill 200,000 in a pandemic, it all doesn't matter, as long as he maintains that. It also exposes the christian right wing evangelicals as well. They were never christians. I truly believe that. I don't consider them christians. Modern day pharisees who put power, access to presidents, bigotry, and use religion as a convenient cover to do it. They have been on the wrong side of EVERY socially just movement in America. Every single one. Southern and midwest evangelicals were for slavery, for the south in the civil war, for Jim Crow and segregation, against the women's right to vote in 1919, against the civil rights movement, against the women's right movement in the '70s, against gay marriage, for both wars in the middle east. They haven't been on the right side of anything because they are not christian. One has to wonder why more evangelicals support tRump than any other president prior. Bush is a born again Christian, so is Obama, but more came out for tRump. Imagine that. There were evangelicals who passed on Bush and Obama, one of their own but came out to support tRump over even Bush? Wonder what made them support tRump over a born again, evangelical, one of their own? These are the same people who said Clinton was unfit for getting his dick sucked but tRump is okay for getting his dick sucked by a porn star. These are the same people who have viewed Mormonism as a non Christian religion historically but backed a Mormon (Romney) over a born again Christian (Obama) even though they have always said a Christian should always vote for their own. And when asked if Obama is a Christian, one of them says "he says he is'. The good thing about the last 4 years is it exposes Republicans are more full of shit than the Democrats and that takes some doing because the Dems are spineless posers. It tells is that the Republican party are far, far more dangerous than the Dems because they have shown they literally have no line. They literally will do anything. The Dems have a line. Its fairly low but there are some things they simply won't do. If someone can tell me what the Republicans will not do, I'd love to hear reasoned (you gotta say reasoned and logical or its just lies and deflective bullshit) evidence otherwise. The Republicans scare the living shit out of me. Until tRump I never, ever thought Americans would back someone who not only lacks any competence for the office but could and may be compromised b a foreign power. They will back treason. All that flag waving is bullshit. I would be saying the same if it were the Democrats. They are full of the usual political bullshit both parties do: undue influence by companies, rich individuals, not carrying out campaign promises. Not good but its the norm. This shit though? This is nation ending type of shit. It's now solid proof to the world and specifically our enemies we have completely lost the plot. We have lost every ally save Israel and the reason for tRumps popularity is totally self serving. They are the only one we have maintained and it isn't even for honorable reasons. No one trusts us nor should they. There may be one thing that will scare me as much or possibly more than the Republicans of today. And that is they will push the envelope so far they make the left feel the current Dems are no longer legitimate and the far, fringe left comes to power. Then we will see some scary shit. And it will be the Republicans of today's fault.
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  18. ...or cut to the chase... Charles Ortel is CLOSING IN with Special Guest George Neumayr The Biden Deception
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  19. ...want to know the truth and facts about Biden? read this book!!! Biden is an absolute POS his entire political career!!! Wake the FUC# UP!!!! The Biden Deception: Moderate, Opportunist, or the Democrats' Crypto-Socialist? by George Neumayr A Socialist in Sheep's Clothing That's what Joe Biden is. "Ordinary Joe" bills himself as a unifying "moderate," but he's far more dangerous than many realize. In fact, he's on board with the extreme Left on every vital issue—from the "Green New Deal," to trampling on the constitutional rights of gun owners and Christians, to socialist schemes that threaten to turn the United States into Venezuela. George Neumayr, a savvy and seasoned reporter, exposes Biden's radicalism and proves—often with the candidate's own words—why his presidency would be a disaster for America. In The Biden Deception, you’ll learn how and why a Biden administration would: Undercut law and order Erase our national borders Insist on abortion on demand across the country Repeal the Trump tax cuts Treat Communist China as an ally rather than a dangerous foe Pick up where Obama left off in “remaking” America—but far more aggressively Be the stepping-stone to power for an even more leftist Democratic Party that takes its cue from “AOC and the Squad” All elections are important, but 2020 will determine whether the U.S. becomes a socialist state—modeled on “lockdown America”—or renews its commitment to freedom and capitalism. Read The Biden Deception and don’t be fooled.
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  20. Good analysis of the CNN jokers
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  21. But it wasn’t Kool Aid which were poisoned but the cheaper version Flavor Aid
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  22. After thorough research I could find out who " they " are: here in front of you illegal Afghan female refugee Mrs Habitallah F.... ( name withheld) sitting in der Black Forest surrounded by hundreds of ruthless mercenaries. Location withheld. Democrat member of Congress in front of Madame just slaughtering innocent lamb by breaking backbone.
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  23. Unless I'm forced to (and Ameicans may be made to do so by withholding a variety of things if you don't) I'm not taking any hastily invented vaccine. I'm not anti vaccine. Just anti rushed research. https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-pushes-warp-speed-effort-on-coronavirus-vaccine-ignoring-lessons-from-a-longago-drug-calamity-140324220.html Trump pushes 'warp speed' effort on coronavirus vaccine, ignoring lessons from a long-ago drug calamity
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  24. I used to trap and hunt when I was a younger man. The furs I sold and the carcass from the muskrats and raccoons I gave to some people at times who actually cooked and ate them. I tried it. Not to bad. My hunting was mainly rabbit and squirrel. Yes I cooked and ate them. Tasty when cooked in a cast iron skillet and fried in butter, after rolling the meat in flour.. I didn't ever hunt just to have a trophy mounted on a wall. It was for food and making money from the furs
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  25. I'm an on and off hunter, over the years, and I've no emotion when seeing an animal killed, if for appropriate reasons - food is a good reason - trophy is not. Common and pest animals can be killed, rare and beautiful, not. And as I'm becoming more of an archery aficionado, I'm discovering that "hunting" in 'merica, means often, a different thing, than does the term "hunting" in NZ and OZ. So, it transpires that what we think of as hunting, in NZ and OZ, is what 'mericans call "spot and stalk" We, go out into the bush, the mountains, the hinterlands and quietly roam about, looking for, finding and shooting, game/pests. 'mericans drive their trucks up to their hunting area, walk about 200 metres and either, hide in a blind, or up a tree, somethings for days, until an animal comes to the automatic feeder, that's been there for months, feeding out each day, so as to attract the animal. And worse, they go to fenced farms and shoot animals raised specifically for the shooting thereof. That's not hunting, that's sitting.
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  26. "Lastly, I'm going to get a check up and see if I have any level of diabetes since both my parents have it and I must be predisposed to it and other things like hypertension as well." CS, I have high praise for the Keto diet. Big part of Keto is to cut out all sugar and reduce carbs, Don't eat anything after 3pm, one meal a day is good. You can form a Keto diet around your life style and needs.
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  27. I'm not one for bragging about my credentials but my hand is forced.
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  28. Same with Bill and Hillary...couples stay together for money, power and influence!
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  29. The banks and businesses might be Chinese but the automatic barriers of the MTR seem a bit of a stretch. I was in HK last week, some signs that "things" have happened there but at least during the week it all seems normal and peaceful enough. Lots of the MTR barriers have their LCD screens smashed. Octopus cards still work but you can't check your balance so easily. A number of the subway advertisement hoardings are covered now due to damage, same with some outside ATM's. All have signs saying they are damaged and out of service as a result of vandalism. I was staying close to the Jordan MTR station on Nathan Road and traveling the MTR to Tung Chung near the airport every day. All very normal and typical HK. Airport was a bit different. Only passengers now allowed access to the departure and arrival areas. All the shops in T2 are closed. Airport quiet and easy to pass through, no immigration queues. Hotel room rates a bargain. Great time to visit but maybe stick to weekdays for now.
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  30. However soon then forget... FK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO. DeGaulle said he wanted all US military out of France as soon as possible. Rusk responded, "Does that include those who are buried here?" DeGaulle did not respond. You could have heard a pin drop... When in England, at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of 'empire building' by George Bush. He answered by saying, "Over the years, the United States has sent many of Its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only amount of land we have ever asked for In return is enough to bury those that did not return." You could have heard a pin drop... There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break, One of the French engineers came back into the room saying, "Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intend to do, bomb them?" A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: "Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships. How many does France have?" You Could have heard a pin drop... A U.S. Navy admiral was attending a naval conference that included admirals from the U.S., English, Canadian, Australian and French navies at a cocktail reception. He found himself standing with a large group of officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks when a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked, "Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking French?" Without hesitating, the American admiral replied, "Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German." You could have heard a pin drop... AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE... Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on. "You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically. Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously. "Then you should know enough to have your passport ready." The American said, "The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it." "Impossible. Americans always have to show their passports on arrival in France !" The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to." You could have heard a pin drop...
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  31. Gigi when asked where North Korea might be as well as where the Iran is did not know exactly but felt well because Donald defends them anyway. Although the Donald called brother Kim his " Friend" last week . And what are " these problems " that Gigi has with North Korea ? Permanent farting after a bad batch of ginseng ? Khun Cavanami , the world is laughing about the Trump gang . Not that I am happy about it , I still believe in the US and it´s values . It is sadness that befalls me . Honestly.
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  32. p.s. Putin isn't going to get into a nuclear war over the increasingly unpopular Madura, any more than Kruschev was going to destroy his country just to make Castro happy. But India and Pakistan are about ready to go at it again. That is a much greater threat of nuclear war.
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  33. IRONY- you know, like steel, but more, well, Irony... Angry over campus speech by Uighur activist, students in Canada contact Chinese consulate, film presentation .....They were furious that a woman they considered a separatist would be given a platform to speak. So they rallied in a chat group and reached out to a familiar source of guidance: the Chinese government. ..... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/angry-over-campus-speech-by-uighur-activist-students-in-canada-contact-chinese-consulate-film-presentation/2019/02/14/a442fbe4-306d-11e9-ac6c-14eea99d5e24_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b80c2d2128e1 --- I find this amusing, because the reason, the Chinese Students are at McMaster University, in Ontario, is because like most Western Universities, the tenet of Free Speech is integral to the fabric of such universities and make them the excellent institutions of learning that they are and that Chinese students, are so desirous to attend... Dumb-asses...
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  34. You should also know, that everything is your fault, the fate of men these days is to provide sperm and buy houses for women, any outcome that is less than the ultimate expression of the 'Princess Delusion' is a travesty and you are to blame.
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  35. I'm not going to go so far as blame Hillary Clinton. However, slavery in some form or another has been going on in North Africa in perpetuity. The migrant issue just made it bigger. It was going when Qadaffi was there as well but it was far more underground. The arabs have been enslaving Africans (and others) for over well over 1500 years to varying degrees of quantity. That said, the lack of global outcry is alarming. What is more alarming is why the subsaharan African countries aren't boycotting, threatening war, whatever. It's 2018!!
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  36. Yes I got looked at at Nong Khai once, but they seem more concerned about 'where' I was going, when I said 'Bangkok for the weekend' they smiled and let me go, obviously I was a quality tourist...
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  37. I knew a Thai woman who'd been classmates with him. She didn't like him and told stories, which I won't repeat here. He's another "Do you know who my father is?" boy. p.s. Don't you like how they grant bail to the rich folks at one million baht. What a surprise that they all seem to disappear.
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  38. Strange or not in LA they are relatively rich. They look out for each other as well. If they are in HR they will hire each other, promote each other and they have women looking our for them as well. As far as the homeless situation in California, its a nice climate. And even during its better days you had homeless but admittedly nothing close to what we see here. The homeless issue in America took off in the '80s. There was a combination of the closing of state mental hospitals and a large percentage Vietnam vets who were suffering from all manner of psychological and to some extent physical issues. When my oldest brother came off that plane at Ft. Campbell, Kentucky, we literally lost track of him for a few years. He was homeless for some of those years. "self medicating" himself to try and forget some things he experienced. The VA wasn't equipped for it. Interesting thing is all the wars had this. I recall reading an article of the terms they used for PTSD for WW1 and WW2 vets. I had an uncle in LA (originally from Tulsa) , who lied his age at 16 and joined the Korean War, (he was born at home like many people so no hospital birth certificate which was common, he had a birth cert printed up) who was seriously fucked up. My aunt said years later he would still wake up screaming. We think he was bipolar before entering the military which made things worse. He had fits of rage as a kid and when you are a black teenager in 1940s Oklahoma with fits of rage, it seemed a good idea to get out. He had guns all over the house in the year I stayed with him when I first went to LA. He hated Asians and Whites virulently. He passed 2 years ago and it was a shock to us in hindsight that he never did a mass shooting. Lifelong Republican by the way..lol. His family were not going to be FDR Democrats. He was homeless for a short time as well as the Korean War when he came to LA. In Philly when I was growing up crack was huge and that contributed heavily to the homeless issue. I had a few friends from HS who were homeless. Mental issues that were undiagnosed or families unable to cope such schizophrenia, alzheimer's and other mental health ailments. What's the solution? Preventative care, okay but what about those out there now? For the vets I think its a national shame the VA is not given the resources to pay for this. Upwards of 1 trillion for defense and we can't do this? We are quick to send people to war. We have had a war/conflict literally every decade since WW2 but have not done anywhere close to enough for those we sent over there. I think the military budget, overall, is too high and the budget for vets way too low. There should not be much of a wait time at the VA hospitals. I really don't give a shit how much it costs truth be said. It's not because of family members that have fought but just friggin' common human decency.
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  39. Members of her family has spoken out about how the murder was used by the right for a political agenda https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/27/17786350/mollie-tibbetts-update-family-cristhian-rivera-trump I don't think its fair to say the left wants illegal unabated immigration. Its mainly what to do about them once they have been here for a certain length of time. And whether or not its worth the time and money spent to track them down as well as the moral ramifications of doing so (uprooting families). That is worthy of debate. Crime committed by said group isn't statistically one of the issues. As I repeated in an earlier post, you can make a stronger argument limiting the legal immigration of Russians and other nationalities if crime by immigrants is going to be on the table. I lived in LA and saw illegal immigration up close and personal. One of the things that was almost a cliche is that if you get into an accident, you hope the person isn't undocumented because they are either going to leave the scene or possibly didn't have insurance. It was just a part of life there. They avoided being anywhere 'in the system'. That said, I've known and met a few. The country has a lot of issues. Scapegoating any group undeservedly isn't right. Undocumented aren't responsibly for the crime rate or have a net overall negative effect on employment (at near historic lows) or wages. Should they be here? No. ICE is fairly new and frankly has been co opted from what it was originally set up for. Just like a few things (RICO statues as another example). Politicians have always misused and maligned the reputations of specific peoples historically in America in order to get votes going back decades if not a century or two. Jews, Blacks, Irish, all Catholics, eastern and southern Europeans, Gays, Feminists, the youth during the Vietnam era, corporations, unions, etc. We obfuscate and deflect from addressing far more specific reasons for problems we have as a nation and the solutions we need to overcome it. Immigration is an issue but my question is, are we spending the too much time and resources on it when that time and effort can be better spent on far graver issues. I think the politicians are using it as a deflection to avoid topics and answers that aren't going to be popular.
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