USA easier for sex than Thailand?

[Zorro]

"So the women are calling the shots? for all of us here? Come on, it's not THAT bad!

 

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...decisions are made by both. Definitely not wanting to brag here, but I have no problem turning women down, as I have done before, for any kind of turn-off, be it for their personality or physique. That's my personal choice. I'm sure there are plenty of guys who'd fuck any female given the chance, but that's not my style.

 

I understand that having confidence does not guarantee success but it surely outweighs one's chances compared to an insecure decision-ain't-yours-to-make attitude.

 

In fact...some girls actually like and are attracted to confident men rather than a sissy who's waiting for a female's permission for a fuck. (Not refering to anyone here) "

 

You seem to be backpedalling a little here and rightly so .

 

The whole thrust of what was being said by you and a few others was that you could score just as easily as a women and that you had control over the sex in a relationship.

This is why OH and myself could hardly contain ourselves because it just doesn't match reality .

 

Now of course i would agree that confidence, money,power, fame and good looks and charm etc may give you better chances of success with women but this was never the argument.

 

And yes some guys are better at dealing with women than others and some men can score much more often than others etc but again this was never the issue.

 

Your comment about a sissy wating for a f**k is taking what was said completely out of context.

What is meant by that comment is that the ultimate decision on whether you are going to have sex is made by the women.

Judging by your macho comments i suppose you would just

slap them around a bit til they decide to come across.

 

It seems to me that there are lot of male egos bristling at the thought that they are not actually in control in the sex stakes.

[..]

Zaad said:I understand that having confidence does not guarantee success but it surely outweighs one's chances compared to an insecure decision-ain't-yours-to-make attitude.

 

In fact...some girls actually like and are attracted to confident men rather than a sissy who's waiting for a female's permission for a fuck.

 

Huh? All I read was that (paraphrased) "You can be confident all you want but the end decision is not yours." That seems right to me. Let's simplify it: Person G (the girl) has in her possession Object P (the pussy) which Person B (the guy) wants. B will try all his tricks to get P, but in the end, it is up to G as to if B gets it or not.

 

Please explain to me where B has any control over P? Yes he can influence the decision, but it is not his to make.

 

Think of it this way: It's like going into a shop to look at something. You went into the shop because you did have a passing interest in something there, but no intention of buying anything. If you run into the right salesman, he will get you to buy because he also know that you must have some sort of interest, but not enough to rush in and take the first thing you saw. This salesman figured out what it took to win you over and closed the deal. Or not. But the decision was still yours, not his.

[pattaya127]

I think you guys put all women in the same bag. Not all are in command of themselves to the point of making the rightly educated choice. They may very well fall for the wrong guy, because he had the better skills or the swiftest move, add to this alcohol amounts as the night goes on, and who controls the game is getting a bit more blurry. I'd rather stick to situations rather than have talk theory on pussy power.

 

Also, some women don't get the guy they may have liked to know a bit closer to them, simply because another chick got his attention. So, in many SITUATIONS, the power tug and control could very well be in the competition between 2 women.

 

I hope you guys have been in parties, clubs where you saw more than one woman , more or less subtly, trying to get your final attention. I sure did not feel powerless! ::

[Steve]

Zorro you are right in the sense that yes, a woman chooses who she has sex with. There's an old pimp phrase "hoes choose" meaning the prostitute chose them to be their pimp, they didn't choose her. However, women go for all types and sometimes we do the choosing. Haven't all of us had a women (usually ugly but that's not the point) try to make a move for us and we decided not to? In a similar way, doesn't that happen every day in Patpong and Pattaya? LOS, was the first time I ever felt like a 'girl' in that they were chasing and I had to say no. Of course they were after the almight baht but still its the man that gets chased in the bar scene.

 

Also, look at celebs. Groupies chase them all the time. The roles are reversed. Rock and rap stars as well as footballers don't have to chase anyone, women come to them...willingly.

 

Okay, all of us aren't celebrities but our mannerisms can have women give us the signal that they are interested. Confidence as was noted and a lassez faire attitude can do it. With most falang women they'll smile, laugh at our stupid jokes, and act excited about our boring jobs as if we are astronauts or brain surgeons. They give us the clues then to chase them because they still like to be chased, but for the ones they like they make it an easy 'kill'. Takes very little effort if they are really interested. They'll even help you along if you don't seem sure sometimes.

 

I think some of us on here who say it doesn't work are thinking of pretty 23 y.o. coeds in the west while we're 50ish and fat. Okay, some are harder to reach but there are plenty of 30ish and 40is lonely women out there. And I mean desperately lonely...but the vast majority of us don't want them having our pick of 20 something BGs dulls the senses for the aforementioned.

[JJsushi]

Men of course don't choose who they sleep with. We just wait for the ffirst chick that wants to spread her legs for us. We don't get propositioned by women, right? We don't decide if we are going to give the wife or the GF some loving? What a crock of crap some of you guys are spewing.

 

There have been alot of instances in my life and my friends where the chicks were pursuing us as well as we were pursuing them. There have been plenty of times I turned some pussy down because I was tired, didn't care for it or didn't feel the need and they were not always with what i would call "ugly" chicks, most were more than good looking and would attract any man.

 

I wish a woman would atttempt to control me with her coochie. I would work her out so good, that she babbling with delirium and then abuse her like I was making my own porno Rocco(he is my hero) style.

 

You "women conntrol us with the pussy" disciples need to let go of those

self-flagellating inhibitors, mantras and attitudes and embrace the concept that the game goes both ways. Control is all about what you allow someone to do to you. That war of the sexes crap went out the window with sansa belt slacks and polyester jump suits ala Evel Keneval style.

[Old Hippie]

O.k. this is actually a fun thread...derailed from the original intent, but fun...o.k. where to start...?

 

CS, Footballers and rock stars etc have woman chasing them simple reason, as P127 said, it is a contest between 2 women! or more. I'll eloborate. Take a famous guy, he can have his choice of women, so many women will compeate to be his women. In a sense, he becomes the trophy for these women. It is there way of saying "see, I am better than you (other women), because I "have" John Beckham, Bruce Springsteen, Old Hippie etc... Women will always compete this way. Take any group of women, if one shows interest in a guy, another woman will also, hjust to try and get him away from the other...seen this a zillion times, funny actually. Woman are quite caddy(catty?) with one another.

 

JJ,

 

Yes, even I pathetic old Hippie have turned women down. Usually because they were not attractive to me, or because I felt there were strings attatched to the sex...In truth, I think you are missing the point here. Or maybe just making a false assumption. I don't think anyone is saying women have all power over men in every situation. But we or at least I am saying, is, woman make the ultimate decision if sex will present itself in a relationship. Whethere you turn it down or not means nothing, you cannot turn it down unless it is offered.

Men usually enter a relationship wanting sex. You and your friends may well be different. No offense, but I find a lot of younger guys have actully been the victims of the feminists, not the older guys as you claim. Your generation has been conditioned to think looking at a woman for sex is wrong, hence the idea that it shouldn't be important. I see this in a lot of younger guys. Like I said before, anytime I get laid in farang land And it does happen, odd as that may seem , It is only because a woman decided to give it to me, not because I have any "style, game, special skills with women etc", Simply put, right place, right time, right chemistry etc...how ever, had she decided to go home alone, or with another, this is her decision, and thus, in this instance, she holds the power. Were a woman to say "bark like a dog" or "jump through this hoop and you might get some" I'd step on her ass toot sweet, and I have done so. I have also been guilty of putting up with shit simply for sex, and so have you, you just won't admit it, everyman has. If you truly haven't, then you will, lady killers I have found fall the hardest. As for why women spend money on clothes, hair, make up etc to look more attractive, this goes back to P127's comments that it is often women compeating with eachother...why more woman prostitutes than men, as I said before, men will pay for sex, woman don't have to. (I concider paying for everydate the same as paying for sex, have fun with that one). In any event, I am sure your attitude will change with age and life experiences, mine sure did. This has been a very fun threadBTW !

[Zaad]

The whole thrust of what was being said by you and a few others was that you could score just as easily as a women and that you had control over the sex in a relationship.

 

I'm sorry but I joined this thread after that and never said such things. In relationships I've been involved in both control the sex, not the woman only unless it's your choice to give her the final word.

As for easier for women to get sex, well of course (I have never denied such thing) a lot of men have no criteria when it comes to a fuck.

 

Seems some are confusing two completely different things:

1- Easier for women in general to get sex compared to us males (agree)

2- Women calling the shots for all of us (disagree)

 

Your comment about a sissy wating for a f**k is taking what was said completely out of context.

What is meant by that comment is that the ultimate decision on whether you are going to have sex is made by the women.

 

She has this "ultimate decision" if I am going to have sex???

She decides for me if I want to have a go at it? You've got to be kidding me, Zorro.

This "ultimate decision" is made by her if you've made yours prior to that. In all MY cases it's been a mutual decision whether or not I (both partners) are going to have sex.

 

In short...I decide if I'm going to have sex, she decides for herself and we decide for ourselves (NOT for eachother as you proclaim) can't get more mutual than this.

 

Obviously..if a guy sticks his dick out and asks the girl if she wants to have a bite..then I agree that the ultimate call is made by her

 

judging by your macho comments i suppose you would just

slap them around a bit til they decide to come across.

 

Ahh..you suppose.

Maybe I should suppose that you ask your woman if she gives you permission to take a pee?

Let's not derail this fine thread by supposing crap, shall we?

[Zaad]

Let's simplify it: Person G (the girl) has in her possession Object P (the pussy) which Person B (the guy) wants. B will try all his tricks to get P, but in the end, it is up to G as to if B gets it or not.

 

Please explain to me where B has any control over P? Yes he can influence the decision, but it is not his to make.

Nice question, but have I ever said that men control pussies?

No, I simply disagree with what some are proclaiming here, and that's that women decide if and when we fuck. Nonsense.

 

In your example btw..as has happened in my experience...was that I did go for a girl (decided that I wanted to do her) but change my mind shortly after that. She seemed willing but it was a no-go for me for personal reasons. Of course she controls her pussy as I (and I only) control my dick.

Whether we want them to have a picnic by the river in a peaceful countryside is our choice and not hers. The fact that you made your decision weeks ago and she last-minute is irrelevant.

[Old Hippie]

"...She has this "ultimate decision" if I am going to have sex???

She decides for me if I want to have a go at it? You've got to be kidding me, Zorro.

This "ultimate decision" is made by her if you've made yours prior to that. In all MY cases it's been a mutual decision whether or not I (both partners) are going to have sex..."

 

O.k. Here is where many get misled...I think we, despite the arguments, agree on a few basic priciples, and we may just be arguing over "symantics" here so to speak...and we are never going to agree here, no matter how many times we restate the same thing.

[Zaad]

OH,

 

I fail to see any agreement on basic principles ..yet.

 

Zorro clearly wrote:

"It seems to me that there are lot of male egos bristling at the thought that they are not actually in control in the sex stakes. "

 

Is he indicating that women DO have control in the sex stakes? Surely seems like it, well, not in my experiences.

 

Choco Steve wrote:

"Zorro you are right in the sense that yes, a woman chooses who she has sex with."

 

Is he indicating that men don't choose and women do? Seems like it and (again) not in my experiences.

 

Let's clarify something..say we have two groups, group 1 (100 men) group 2 (100 women). What percentage of group 1 would freebiefuck an average Noi and what percentage of group 2 would freebiefuck an average John.

 

My guess is that the percentage in group 1 is higher but to say that women choose who they fuck and men don't goes beyond my understanding.