Guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 and how many of hope there is no afterlife ( hell?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattaya127 Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 brainwashing ------------------------- self-brainwashing is the worse I believe the % of americans who think they are ultimately the only ones responsible for what happens with/in their life, is a small one. Most think dices are been thrown a long time ago. It takes many forms, God looking after/over you, multinationals being disguised dictators," Dad and Mom did this to me, i can't get up anymore", whites did this to me, minorities did this to us, women did this to us, men did this to us, the litany is endless to allow oneself to blame somebody else and not take responsiblity for their lives. I was used to that in France, but was really surprised that the american psyche becomes, under duress, a very crumbly castle of cards. Only one answer, as Dubya encouraged the day after 9/11: "Go shopping!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_66_UK Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 and how many of hope there is no afterlife ( hell?) Bearing in mind that many religous nutters would describe NEP as some sort of "hell", this may not be a complete disaster :D On a more serious note, as I have already said I am not a big fan of religions etc.......... BUT I do not have any objection to their actually being a god........ when I fall off my perch (barstool : and find out that I was in fact wrong........... and that their is in fact an everlasting life then I would have no fundamental objections to that, although I expect that I would get a bit bored after the first few thousand years - especially if it involve clouds, harps and angels. Unless of course female angels take it up the arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 <sigh> I guess I will look on the bright side. I no longer have to worry about those pesky Kansas kids competing with my daughters to get into Stanford. Funny, the more they deny descending from monkeys, the more they start acting like them. Regards, SD ++++++++++++ Kan. School Board OKs Evolution Approach By JOHN HANNA, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 32 minutes ago TOPEKA, Kan. - Revisiting a topic that exposed Kansas to nationwide ridicule six years ago, the state Board of Education approved science standards for public schools Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution. The 6-4 vote was a victory for intelligent design advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power. Critics of the new language charged that it was an attempt to inject God and creationism into public schools in violation of the separation of church and state. "This is a sad day. We're becoming a laughingstock of not only the nation, but of the world, and I hate that," said board member Janet Waugh, a Democrat. Supporters of the new standards said they will promote academic freedom. "It gets rid of a lot of dogma that's being taught in the classroom today," said board member John Bacon. The new standards say high school students must understand major evolutionary concepts. But they also declare that the basic Darwinian theory that all life had a common origin and that natural chemical processes created the building blocks of life have been challenged in recent years by fossil evidence and molecular biology. In addition, the board rewrote the definition of science, so that it is no longer limited to the search for natural explanations of phenomena. The new standards will be used to develop student tests measuring how well schools teach science. Decisions about what is taught in classrooms will remain with 300 local school boards, but some educators fear pressure will increase in some communities to teach less about evolution or more about creationism or intelligent design. "What this does is open the door for teachers to bring creationist arguments into the classroom and point to the standards and say it's OK," said Jack Krebs, an Oskaloosa High School math teacher and vice president of Kansas Citizens for Science, which opposes the changes. But John Calvert, a retired attorney who helped found the Intelligent Design Network, said changes probably will come to classrooms gradually, with some teachers feeling freer to discuss criticisms of evolution. "These changes are not targeted at changing the hearts and minds of the Darwin fundamentalists," Calvert said. The vote marked the third time in six years that the Kansas board has rewritten standards with evolution as the central issue. In 1999, the board eliminated most references to evolution. Harvard paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould said that was akin to teaching "American history without Lincoln." Bill Nye, the "Science Guy" of children's television, called it "harebrained" and "nutty." And a Washington Post columnist imagined God saying to the Kansas board members: "Man, I gave you a brain. Use it, OK?" Two years later, after voters replaced three members, the board reverted to evolution-friendly standards. Elections in 2002 and 2004 changed the board's composition again, making it more conservative. The latest vote is likely to bring fresh national criticism to Kansas and cause many scientists to see the state as backward. Many scientists and other critics contend creationists repackaged old ideas in new, scientific-sounding language to get around a U.S. Supreme Court decision in 1987 against teaching the biblical story of creation in public schools. The Kansas board's action is part of a national debate. In Pennsylvania, a judge is expected to rule soon in a lawsuit against the Dover school board's policy of requiring high school students to learn about intelligent design in biology class. In August, President Bush endorsed teaching intelligent design alongside evolution. ___ On the Net: Kansas science standards: http://www.ksde.org/outcomes/sciencestd.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Ah, but there is hope. Eight seats on the Dover, Pennsylvania School Board were up for re-election today and all eight were won by "Dover CARES" candidates. "Dover CARES" is a coalition put together to oppose adding religion to the science class curriculum. In short, if the School Board decided to vote on adding intelligent design to the curriculum again, the result would be a resounding "no". Meanwhile, the closing arguments are over in the trial regarding the addition of intelligent design to the Dover Area School District. The judge has yet to make a decision. If the judge rules against the School District the school system will most likely be expected to pay the legal bills of the plaintiffs, which will number in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. There is a very real fiduciary incentive not to add intelligent design to the curriculum in any state - you tend to get sued, and you tend to lose, and it tends to cost you lots of money that could much better be spent teaching your school children real science. It's just a shame that Dover has spoken out against intelligent design by outing the School Board just a little bit too late to avoid a lawsuit. Regards, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Hippie Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 This is the problem, the school is forced to spend money fighting this shit instead of on school stuff/education... These Christians can have their own, but they keep trying to pull the rest of us along with them, which is just plain annoying...same with abortion, stem cell research embryonic research etc...I hate to think I or a loved one could die because some jack ass with a bible thinks science is wrong...this country is really going backwards fast...we are sending guys to go fight the Talaban and give freedom to Afganistan, yet the American talaban here is taking our freedoms away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Did notice that the higher your income the less "religious" you are likely to be Probably because the more you earn, the more the church/temple/synagogue/mosque/whatever wants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Scrutinizer Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 RB, Yes, that may be one thing. I think the "tithe" percentage quoted from the bible is 10% of your income/worth isn't it? The other thing higher income might effect is higher learning. It's why I say I'd like to have seen something on education levels in this poll. Cent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Old Hippie Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Cent, As you may know, I am an ordained minister. Hence, I feel a need to speak on this issue....Yep, pretty much bullshit and mind control! Additionally, I read one of those books...the "Bible?" I think it is called, can't find a reference to 10% of income going to do gods work...and if god really is so fucking powerful why does he need our money? can't he call Bill Gates for a loan...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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