Bangkoktraveler Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Global warming is like hell..... sometimes it is [color:red]hotter then hell[/color] and then at other times it is [color:blue]colder then hell![/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 yep, we are doomed, all trying to find scapegoats, US gov..or citizens...india, china, brazil......its, you me, us, them.....recycling tin cans makes us feel like we're doing good but frankly its like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave32 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 3fWw3El7VHc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelseafan Posted December 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 What I find quite amazing is that all the data accumulated go's back to 1860 - A mere 150 years or so. The earth is reported to be 4.5 billion years old. Surely the error rate must be high. Who's not to say that we are due to go through a heated period anyhow, the earth is changing, land masses move all the time and yet we are led to believe that POSSIBLY humans are to blame. Data collected is mostly from land-based weather stations so again this could be flawed due to eronous distortions (factories, human population etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Were I live in the USA it actually has gotten colder..... back in the 90's they moved the location where they were gathering temperatures to a 'cooler' location. Now it rarely gets to be 118 degrees Fahrenheit during the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shygye Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 There is indirect temperature evidence for the period before direct observation (flora, sea life, etc). Estimates are made for the period since 1750 of the major radiative forcing factors thought to be important in climate change. Analysis of these emphasizes the role of biospheric CO2 release and increasing methane up to the early twentieth century. Fossil fuel burning had a minor role until the mid-twentieth century, with the relatively small effects of fossil fuel CO2 being cancelled by sulphate aerosols from the same source. It is shown that, by using reasonable estimates of the contributions by greenhouse gases and anthropogenic and volcanic aerosols, a simple box-diffusion climate model simulates many features of the observed record of global climate change as estimated from both instrumental and glacier data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Okay, if you don't believe in global warming, why do you think its being pushed on us? I want to hear why you think the opposition is so hell bent on changing things? If you believe in it, I would like to ask to what extent do you think we should change things. Curtail emissions? Eliminate fossil fuels totally? Horse and buggy? Also, as I mentioned before if there is human induced global warming, etc. happening and it could be proven without question by science, does anyone think the oil industry and related industries would support it? I saw what happened with the tobacco industry and even in the wake of evidence that can not be denied the CEOs still said they didn't believe it caused cancer when asked by congress. Wouldn't the oil company CEOs say the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi, "Wouldn't the oil company CEOs say the same? " With the kind of money they are making from oil? I don't think there is anything they *wouldn't* do to keep the flow of oil/money going. Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lazyphil Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 the ceo oil barons are merely servants to our oil thirst. nothing less nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Hi, Very well paid servants in that case On a more serious note, I think that if the entire world population decided to switch to an alternative fuel source that these 'servants' would still do all in their power to keep everyone using oil. I honestly believe that the only way to unveil a viable alternative to oil would be to flood the Internet with the discovery and give it away for free. Anything other than that would result in *severe* pressure from the oil companies to either sell them your idea (which would then be buried) or to keep quiet. Big corporations, like governments, ONLY care about themselves and will do just about anything to secure their continued existence. Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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