Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals

[Hugh_Hoy]

I certainly believe that Reagan was the worst POTUS ever, but more from his legacy than his actual works. He is fully to blame for the state of the USA now.

 

 

Time out!!!

 

 

OMG!

 

 

Whew!...That's a great one, partner. You've gotta get a gig on Comedy Central.

 

Okay, I'll allow that you noted that it was merely your "opinion". That's fine. But your opinion doesn't hold as much water as that of those who have studied various presidencies as noted in the "wiki" quote as follows:

 

"Gallup polls in 2001 and 2007 have ranked him number one or number two when correspondents were asked for the greatest president in history, and third of post-World War II presidents in a 2007 Rasmussen Reports poll, fifth in an ABC 2000 poll, ninth in another 2007 Rasmussen poll, and eighth in a late 2008 poll by United Kingdom newspaper The Times.[283][284][285] In a Siena College survey of over 200 historians, however, Reagan ranked sixteenth out of 42.[286][287] While the debate about Reagan's legacy is ongoing, the 2009 Annual C-SPAN Survey of Presidential Leaders ranked Reagan the 10th greatest president. The survey of leading historians rated Reagan number 11 in 2000.[288]"

 

Liberal bloggers like to play Reagan's achievements down because he was so successful in staring down their commie bretheran in the Soviet Union and laying the ground work for the breaking up of same. And that was without a shot being fired. Too, don't forget that he had a mess created during Carter's Presidency to contend with economically. (Sure, same is said today about Barry inheriting GWB-era stuff; but you must agree that if it's fair for the goose, it's fair fodder for the gander. )

 

While getting back to Carter and his lame-ass "presidency", don't forget that the Iraqi-held hostages were released the day Reagan replaced Carter in the Oval Office. (And how long was Carter in office while those folks were held hostage? 444 days?) Yep, Jimmy was a real champ. He only won his election cuz of some bungling by Nixon.

 

Well, let's not get side-tracked by this stuff. Let's talk about Barry's REAL reason he wants to legalize wetbacks. (Like the reason isn't obvious to everybody.)

 

HH

 

 

[Bangkoktraveler]

Did you and Bangkoktraveler share the same seat on the short bus when you went to school?

 

HH

 

 

Gee HH, what President stands out as number one for giving illegals Amnesty? Was it Reagan?

 

What Presidential candidate proposed along with Ted Kennedy a more liberal immigration amnesty policy?

Was that Senator McCain?

 

 

A[color:red]re you saying you are against such policy makers but backup everything they believe in?[/color]

[shygye]

... the same reason Reagan DID legalize wetbacks.

[Steve]

I personally would put Truman at or near the top of post war Presidents due to his honesty. Ike 2nd or 3rd for a myriad of things: his honesty, helping expand an economic boon, putting early pressure on the USSR, etc. Johnson would have had a better rep if it weren't for Vietnam. His civil rights act was one of the bravest and boldest social initiaves given the time. Nixon actually made some of the most liberal legislation (Endangered Species Act, laws for Handicap access, etc.) as well as the boldest (and most liberal) foreign policy deicsion in modern history with his trip to China. Only a man with a pristine repuation as a communist fighter could pull that off. Clinton had an amazing run as well. Clinton was known for the economy doing so well as Reagan did. NEITHER should be given much credit, they just happened to be there at the time. Clinton just happened to be President during a tech boom, he didn't have any legislation that started it or helped it, he just enjoyed sitting in the oval office while it happened. To his credit he didn't f**k it up. The econmic boom under Reagan was almost solely the doing of Fed Chief Paul Volcker. Treasury interest rates were high as hell at the time. You could get double digit interest rates for short term treasuries. Unheard of. It stagnated the stock market. Why risk money in the market where a 10% increase in a year is normally seen as a great return when inflation ate it up and you could get a better interest rate and guaranteed return higher with corporate bonds and Treasuries?

Volcker slashed interest rates and forced big money into the stock market setting off an unprecedented boom. Reagan just happened to be there. As far as his being instrumental in ending communism in the former USSR, that is one of the biggest mistruths that Republicans have told so often its become fact.

Its an insult to every prior president back to FDR and before who wore down the Soviets with massive increases in defense (defense is about a fifth of the economy now due to the past presidents). The USSR were on a financial ledge well before Reagan was in office. There were breadlines throughout the '70s for sure and now we know they had them in some parts in the '60s as well as rural areas litterally starving to death. What killed off the USSR was their war in Afghanistan that started in '79 and went on for about 10 years.

 

The war in Afghanistan was the first full scale Soviet war since WW2. All other wars were by proxy (Korea, Vietnam) where they committed mainly materials and only limited and token manpower like soviet fighter pilots in Korea and advisors in Vietnam). 200,000 or more USSR soldiers went to Afghanistan and it cost them untold billions of rubles that they could not sustain in an already unstable and fragile economy. What sped up their demise was that war. EVERY president before Reagan increased the defense budget and put pressure on the Soviets. Reagan increasing it wasn't anything new. I'm not saying Reagan was a bad President, I love his confidence and he helped give Americans back some confidence after the Iran hostage crisis but he (as well as others) were given credit for things that they didn't have a hand in. WW2 got us out of the depression for example, it wasn't FDR's new deal. The war put people to work not the new deal. We were able to force price controls because of the war effort that helped us get out of the depression as well. Profits were limited because of it, people's dollar meant something. The war also employed many of the poor, especially minorities (blacks, latinos) who weren't part of the economy prior were working in factory jobs building war materials that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to work in prior. In turn they bought houses, etc.

 

The nations economy or rather its expansion has ALWAYS been to the innovation of Americans themselves and NOT the President. Presidents can help it along or sometimes f**k it up but they dont begin them.

 

Silicon valley set off the '90s just like innovations in manufacturing and such set off economic booms a couple hundred years ago. We learned to produce more with less. Ford and others who made strides in farming, getting more crop with less work, were the ones that did it.

[Flashermac]

<< What killed off the USSR was their war in Afghanistan that started in '79 and went on for about 10 years. >>

 

 

So how long is the Bush-Obama war in Afganistan going to drag on and will it pull the US down too?

 

 

[shygye]

The transition of the USA to a Debtor Nation happened over 20 yrs ago. For HH, it happened during the Reagan yrs.

 

The value of foreign investments in the United States, ranging from stocks to factories, exceeded American investments abroad by $532.5 billion at the end of 1988, up from $378.3 billion a year earlier, the Commerce Department said last week.

 

As recently as 1984, the United States was a net creditor to the rest of the world by about $3.3 billion.

[shygye]

... WW2 got us out of the depression for example, it wasn't FDR's new deal. The war put people to work not the new deal. We were able to force price controls because of the war effort that helped us get out of the depression as well. Profits were limited because of it, people's dollar meant something. The war also employed many of the poor, especially minorities (blacks, latinos) who weren't part of the economy prior were working in factory jobs building war materials that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to work in prior. In turn they bought houses, etc.

 

...

 

The GDP recovered during the new deal. Many economists say the new deal spending was too small and with WWII all government spending restraints were removed!

 

If one defines economic health entirely by the gross domestic product, the U.S. had gotten back on track by 1934, and made a full recovery by 1936, but as Roosevelt said, one third of the nation was ill fed, ill-housed and ill-clothed. See Chart 3. GNP was 34% higher in 1936 than 1932, and 58% higher in 1940 on the eve of war. The economy grew 58% from 1932 to 1940 in 8 years of peacetime, and then grew 56% from 1940 to 1945 in 5 years of wartime. However, the unemployment rate never went below 9% before the draft.

 

Link

 

The other part was the GI bill and benefits after the war. VA loans helped fuel the post-war housing boom and the educational benefits helped expand the middle class.

[rchapstick]

Well, let's not get side-tracked by this stuff. Let's talk about Barry's REAL reason he wants to legalize wetbacks. (Like the reason isn't obvious to everybody.)

 

HH

 

 

Hey HH, do you think you could manage to come up with a single post with making some racist comment (yes, the term "wetback" is racist) or using some sort of pejorative comment? You are smarter than that, but you come across as a moron.

 

[kamui]

Well' date=' let's not get side-tracked by this stuff. Let's talk about Barry's REAL reason he wants to legalize wetbacks. (Like the reason isn't obvious to everybody.)

 

HH

 

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Hey HH, do you think you could manage to come up with a single post with making some racist comment (yes, the term "wetback" is racist) or using some sort of pejorative comment? You are smarter than that, but you come across as a moron.

 

It is just easier to debase/harm people after you have dehumanized them, for example by using derogatory terms and ethnic slurs. It lessens the guilt...

[Old Hippie]

I certainly believe that Reagan was the worst POTUS ever' date=' but more from his legacy than his actual works. He is fully to blame for the state of the USA now.[/quote']

 

 

Time out!!!

 

 

OMG!

 

 

Whew!...That's a great one, partner. You've gotta get a gig on Comedy Central.

 

Okay, I'll allow that you noted that it was merely your "opinion". That's fine. But your opinion doesn't hold as much water as that of those who have studied various presidencies as noted in the "wiki" quote as follows:

 

"Gallup polls in 2001 and 2007 have ranked him number one or number two when correspondents were asked for the greatest president in history, and third of post-World War II presidents in a 2007 Rasmussen Reports poll, fifth in an ABC 2000 poll, ninth in another 2007 Rasmussen poll, and eighth in a late 2008 poll by United Kingdom newspaper The Times.[283][284][285] In a Siena College survey of over 200 historians, however, Reagan ranked sixteenth out of 42.[286][287] While the debate about Reagan's legacy is ongoing, the 2009 Annual C-SPAN Survey of Presidential Leaders ranked Reagan the 10th greatest president. The survey of leading historians rated Reagan number 11 in 2000.[288]"

 

Liberal bloggers like to play Reagan's achievements down because he was so successful in staring down their commie bretheran in the Soviet Union and laying the ground work for the breaking up of same. And that was without a shot being fired. Too, don't forget that he had a mess created during Carter's Presidency to contend with economically. (Sure, same is said today about Barry inheriting GWB-era stuff; but you must agree that if it's fair for the goose, it's fair fodder for the gander. )

 

While getting back to Carter and his lame-ass "presidency", don't forget that the Iraqi-held hostages were released the day Reagan replaced Carter in the Oval Office. (And how long was Carter in office while those folks were held hostage? 444 days?) Yep, Jimmy was a real champ. He only won his election cuz of some bungling by Nixon.

 

Well, let's not get side-tracked by this stuff. Let's talk about Barry's REAL reason he wants to legalize wetbacks. (Like the reason isn't obvious to everybody.)

 

HH

 

 

 

Gallop polls my ass! Regan could have and should have been impeached for Iran contra gate, and held in contempt for lying to congress about it. Then there was that little mess with the Iranian hostages which he pulled even before he took office...Old Ronnie retard had to one of the worst presidents of my life time...tough call between him and GWB...as Ronnie set up all the crap policies that took this country down the shitter, GWB just sped it along even further...

 

I will agree Carter was impotent, LBJ an outright criminal, and Ford just a transitional guy. Sad is, all we can get to run for that, or any office is total shit. But as Jefferson said, "...we get the government we deserve..."