Guest lazyphil Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 hitler tried to do something about them, some things never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgianBoy Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 BB: "it is not a crime." Times Online: "but it is banned from deployment in civilian areas" "the firing of phosphorus shells at a UN school in Beit Lahiya in the northern Gaza Strip on January 17" Looks like a crime to me. That is why it is under investigation, is it not ? Besides, if they were so sure that what they did was fully legal, why deny it for several days and only admit to it after insurmountable evidence is produced? I dont know, I do not defend them all the way, remember ? Is it not something all armies usually do ? Phil, I am not saying the Muslims are right either. They too are guilty of atrocities, but it does annoy me that Israel continually tries to act as the victim while it is obvious that they are a big part of the problem in the region. Israel acts usually out of self-defence, and I see Israel to be part of the solution for the future, as long as there would be someone to sit around the table with, something that is surely lacking today. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgianBoy Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 its just grasping at straws to find israel guilty of protecting herself If Israel could work out a way to annihilate the entire world around them without harming themselves in the process' date=' I am sure they would do it. They are murdering scum and it's about time something was done about them. [/quote'] Israel is the 100th smallest nation in the world with 1/1000th of the world population. At least you dont hide your racism ! LOL BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 What does being small have to do with anything? What an odd argument... Cheers, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgianBoy Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 and what an odd comment.... my reply was "annihilate the entire world around them" versus "actual size of Israel". want some numbers ? BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunsanuk Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Hi, "What does being small have to do with anything?" Exactly. It's how you use it Sanuk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faustian Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Personally, I've no experience of being small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.. Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Even tho' I suspect you will not watch, more evidence of the Israelis being murderous scum: Unarmed peaceful protesters, still behind a double fence and a road, taking live fire and at least one of their group being murdered. The IDF has no excuse for the action and need to be charged. A result like that could go a *long* way to resolving the mess. Instead we all know it will be ignored and rationalized away (the IDF say this was "a riot" and the troops were in danger: BULLSHIT); which will inflame the matter even more. Indeed BB, if you *knew* you could not get justice, why would you even try to act civilized? There's no point. Cheers, SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robaus Posted September 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Have a hearty breakfast, Lazyphil. Looks like you and BelgianBoy have got a big day ahead of you with your whitewash brush! from the BBC There is evidence that both Israeli and Palestinian forces committed war crimes in the recent conflict in Gaza, a long-awaited official UN report says. The investigation, led by South African judge Richard Goldstone [a Jew himself,honoured by the Hebrew University Jerusalem and many others, respected UN chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and for Rwanda], found evidence "indicating serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law were committed by Israel during the Gaza conflict", a UN statement said. Israel also "committed actions amounting to war crimes, and possibly crimes against humanity". The Israeli operations, the document states, "were carefully planned in all their phases as a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorise a civilian population". The report accuses Israel of imposing "a blockade which amounted to collective punishment" in the lead-up to the conflict. It says "the Israeli military operation was directed at the people of Gaza as a whole". and from The Independent .. Israel targeted "the people of Gaza as a whole" in the three-week military operation which is estimated to have killed more than 1,300 [including 412 children] Palestinians at the beginning of this year, according to a UN-commissioned report published yesterday. A UN fact-finding mission led by the South African judge Richard Goldstone said Israel should face prosecution by the International Criminal Court unless it opened independent investigations of what the report said were repeated violations of international law, "possible war crimes and crimes against humanity" during the operation. The UN report found that the statements of military and political leaders in Israel before and during the operation indicated that they intended the use of "disproportionate force", aimed not only at the enemy but also at the "supporting infrastructure". The mission adds: "In practice this appears to have meant the civilian population." The mission also had harsh conclusions about Hamas and other armed groups, acknowledging that rocket and mortar attacks have caused terror in southern Israel, and saying that, where such attacks were launched into civilians areas, they would "constitute war crimes" and "may amount to crimes against humanity". It also condemned the extrajudicial killings, detention and ill-treatment of Palestinian detainees by the Hamas regime in Gaza – as well as by the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank – and called for the release on humanitarian grounds of Gilad Shalit, the Israeli corporal abducted by Gaza militants in June 2006. While the Israeli government refused to co-operate with the inquiry – or allow the UN team into Israel – on the ground that the team would be"one-sided", Corporal Shalit's father, Noam, was among those Israeli citizens who flew to Geneva to give evidence. That said, the greater part of the report – and its strongest language – is reserved for Israel's conduct during the operation. Apart from the unprecedented death toll, the report says that "the destruction of food supply installations, water sanitation systems, concrete factories and residential houses was the result of a systematic policy by the Israeli armed forces". The purpose was not to avert a military threat, but "to make the daily process of living and dignified living more difficult for the civilian population". The report also says that vandalism of houses by some soldiers and "the graffiti on the walls, the obscenities and often racist slogans constituted an overall image of humiliation and dehumanisation of the Palestinian population". Amid a detailed examination of most of the major incidents of the war – albeit one carried out five months after it took place – it says that: * The first bombing attack on Day One of the operation, when children were going home from school, "appears to have been calculated to cause the greatest disruption and widespread panic". * The firing of white phosphorus shells at the UN Relief and Works Agency compound was "compounded by reckless regard of the consequences", and the use of high explosive artillery at the al-Quds hospitals were violations of Articles 18 and 19 of the Geneva Convention. It says that warnings issued by Israel to the civilian population "cannot be considered as sufficiently effective" under the convention. * On the attack in the vicinity of the al-Fakhoura school where at least 35 Palestinians were killed, Israeli forces launched an attack where a "reasonable commander" would have considered military advantage was outweighed by the risk to civilian life. Under Article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), the civilians had their right to life forfeited. And while some of the 99 policemen killed in incidents surveyed by the team may have been members of armed groups, others who were not also had their right to life violated. * The inquiry team also says that a number of Palestinians were used as human shields – itself a violation of the ICCPR – including Majdi Abed Rabbo, whose complaints about being so used were first aired in The Independent. The report asserts that the use of human shields constitutes a "war crime under the Rome statute of the International Criminal Court". Tim Franks, BBC News, Jerusalem If this report is to matter, it will be for a number of reasons. One is its length. There have been a slew of reports into the war in Gaza. This is the lengthiest, weighing in at 575 pages. There is the man who wrote it: Richard Goldstone is a judge and judicial investigator with an impressive record. The UN Human Rights Council, for whom he wrote this, is also no longer a body which is quite as easy for Israel to dismiss as a congenitally biased. The US has recently run for, and been elected to a seat on its council. Mr Goldstone has also shown a measure of political astuteness. This is not the first time that Israel, or Palestinian militants, have been accused of war crimes - and in Israel's case, crimes against humanity as well. But previous allegations have quickly begun to moulder on the shelf. Mr Goldstone recommended that the Security Council require Israel, and the Gaza authorities, to report in six months about its own investigations into the alleged crimes. If they did not come up to scratch, then the International Criminal Court should become involved. Who, said Judge Goldstone, could object to that? The reports says Israel must be held accountable for its actions during the war, a process which could lead to the conflict being referred to the International Criminal Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkoktraveler Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Hard to believe this goes on in this day and age, but I guess so many people are dehumanized in their view of certain people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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