North Korea--Nuke Em?

[Hugh_Hoy]

The asswipes in N. Korea continue to be trying to provoke some kind of military response, the ultimate result of which could spell the end of that country.

 

I just wonder how much patience S.Korea and the rest of the world has.

 

N. Korea continues it's path to increase it's nucleur capabilities, sinks a S. Korean vessel, announces another step toward manufacturing nuclear weapons, and now fires on a S. Korean island.

 

Can I get credit for a scoop here? Hillary Clinton, Secretary, U.S. Department of State will respond by saying, "we are troubled by this unfortunate event". 555555555555 Troubled? Disappointed? Dismayed? LOL.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101123/india_nm/india530928

 

HH

 

 

[Flashermac]

Couldn't a smart bomb take out Kim Flung Dung and the rest of the leaders?

 

[acockasian]

There is really very little that can be done from a military point of view. The North Korean Army can completely obliterate Seoul and collapse South Korea. That is really the only card they have but it is a good one.

 

The key is China and a version of realpolitik that Kissinger could have pulled off. A potential future leader of North Korea is more or less being put up in Macau by China just in case he needs to be installed someday.

 

China could pull this off, and change the regime, but would need huge pressure from the west and it is not likely that motivation is coming any time soon.

 

Remember that at one time North Korea had a deal to stop nuclear development. Clinton made that deal, with fuel guarantees, as he assumed that the regime would collapse and then it didn't.

 

Wasn't Bush the one that stopped the fuel shipments?

[Coss]

 

North and South Korea exchange artillery fire

KWANG-TAE KIM

SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA The Associated Press

Published Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2010 1:29AM EST

Last updated Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2010 4:08AM EST

 

North Korea fired artillery barrages onto a South Korean island near their disputed border Tuesday, setting buildings alight and prompting South Korea to return fire and scramble fighter jets. At least one South Korean marine was killed and 13 wounded, the military said.

 

The skirmish came amid high tension over North Korea's claim that it has a new uranium enrichment facility and just six weeks after North Korean leader Kim Jong-il unveiled his youngest son Kim Jong-un as his heir apparent.

 

YTN TV said several houses were on fire and shells were still falling on Yeonpyeong island, about 120 kilometres west of the coast. The station broadcast pictures of thick columns of black smoke rising from the island, which has a population of 1,200 to 1,300.

 

South Korean President Lee Myung-bak ordered officials to “sternly respond†to North Korea's action but also called on officials to make sure that the “situation would not escalate,†according to a presidential official. He asked not to be identified, citing the issue's sensitivity.

 

Mr. Lee was holding a security meeting in a presidential situation room, the official said.

 

In a message to North Korea's armed forces, South Korea's military urged the North to stop provocations and warned of strong measures unless the North stopped, another Joint Chiefs of Staff official said.

 

The JCS official said dozens of rounds of artillery landed on the island and in the sea. The official said South Korea fired back. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of JCS rules, said South Korea's military is on alert.

 

Tensions between the two Koreas have remained high since the sinking in March of a South Korean warship in which 46 sailors died. Seoul blamed a North Korean torpedo, while Pyongyang has denied any responsibility.

 

North Korea's actions “are illegal and a violation of the 1953 armistice agreement†that ended the Korean War, the JCS official said.

 

South Korea responded by firing K-9 155mm self-propelled howitzer, but the JCS official declined to say whether North Korean territory was hit by the South Korean artillery.

 

JCS said island residents are escaping to about 20 shelters in the island.

 

 

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[Nervous God]

USA doesn't have smart bombs anymore, they have "Not marginally infringed bombs"

 

The other bombs all complained that smart bombs got special treatment, so now, before a mission, the bomb is chosen randomly.

 

"I know that I may not have the right bomb for the mission" Says Roger G "Chip" Sphincter, a air force bomb specialist, "But I do know, whatever the bomb, it will do its best to be the best bomb it can be for the gory of the Stars and Stripes"

[Steve]

I assume China has a great amount of influence with the North. They last thing China wants is a war on its door step. Especially a war that will bring the U.S. more into the region that it already is. North Korea also knows once it loses Chins its done.

 

They are crazy but not stupid. Invade South Korea and they won't exist. The NK leadership knows that. End of story. China can't threaten their way out of stopping a full retaliatory response by America and the UN.

 

I think what NK fears or rather what its leadership fears the most is losing power domestically. This tete e tete with SK and the threats is only to keep the army and people occupied. They fear a civil war more than anything. Life there sucks. Their own army and people is what they fear I think.

[Flashermac]

<< The key is China and a version of realpolitik that Kissinger could have pulled off. A potential future leader of North Korea is more or less being put up in Macau by China just in case he needs to be installed someday. >>

 

The son who pissed off daddy by trying to sneak into Disneyland using a false passport?

 

 

[LizardKing]

There is really very little that can be done from a military point of view. The North Korean Army can completely obliterate Seoul and collapse South Korea. That is really the only card they have but it is a good one.

 

The key is China and a version of realpolitik that Kissinger could have pulled off. A potential future leader of North Korea is more or less being put up in Macau by China just in case he needs to be installed someday.

 

China could pull this off, and change the regime, but would need huge pressure from the west and it is not likely that motivation is coming any time soon.

 

Remember that at one time North Korea had a deal to stop nuclear development. Clinton made that deal, with fuel guarantees, as he assumed that the regime would collapse and then it didn't.

 

Wasn't Bush the one that stopped the fuel shipments?

That's pretty much an excellent review of the situ.

 

Bush tried to play tuff guy poker with them and they called his bluff. Farkin' embarrassing that was. He created an even bigger monster after that blunder.

 

I still say that they are petulant little 5 year olds they way they act and need to be treated as such. They want attention, and maybe some money. That's what this is about. The question is: do you entertain them or spank them? Who does it? Mommy (China) or Daddy (USA)?

 

And of course, the domestic thing, where the "new guy" is showing he can be as "tuff" as daddy, nutty Lil' Kim.

 

I do agree that they are not that stupid, and know that any escalation will bring down a rain of shit that will destroy them. Posers, they are.

[Bangkoktraveler]

Up to one or two months ago, we were still getting petroleum products from North Korea.

 

Going to war in North Korea might not be a very good idea. Over fifty years ago we didn't do too good warring in that area.

[Hugh_Hoy]

Bush tried to play tuff guy poker with them and they called his bluff. Farkin' embarrassing that was. He created an even bigger monster after that blunder.

 

Okay, when you're through pulling your pud, revisit what was going on at the time...and why the fuel shipments were stopped. :content: And pleeeeeeeeeeeeeez tell us how our esteemed Nobel Peace Prize winner is gonna make the plantet all friendly and cuddly.

 

(Oh, yes: and just how did Bush make N. Korea "even a bitter monster"? Ah...mai pen lai. Had enough chuckles for a day.)

 

HH