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[Julian2]

Traditional and automatic with a high ranking officer. Sponsor does not necessarily mean attend. Someone will be designated to represent them.

 

 

Meanwhile ...

 

 

Banharn's message to UDD

 

1:52pm

 

 

Former prime minister Banharn Silpa-archa, chief adviser of the Chart Thai Pattana Party, on Tuesday called for the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) to end the protest rally today or tomorrow.

 

[color:red]In an urgent statement, Mr Banharn said once the UDD agreed to do as he asked he would immediately ask the government to withdraw the troops and police now confronting the protesters.

 

If the government refused to do so, the Chart Thai Pattana Party would withdraw from the government, he said.[/color]

 

Mr Banharn said too much damage had been done to the country and this can not be allowed to continue.

 

 

 

BP

So HM is sponsoring a terrorist's funeral?

Very sporting.

[Flashermac]

Maybe they'll send Prem.

 

 

Seh Daeng's aide arrested

 

 

1:11pm

 

 

Pichet Sukjindathong, the right-hand man of the late Maj-Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol, or Seh Daeng, has been arrested, the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) announced on Tuesday.

 

The CRES believes Mr Pichet is one of the people behind the many clashes between red-shirt guards and government forces.

 

Mr Pichet is being held for interrogation at a detention centre at Klong 5 in Pathum Thani province.

 

The CRES called on members of the mass media and people in general to send pictures and video clips of the violence to police so that wrongdoers could be arrested.

 

The centre stressed that police and soldiers would not use their weapons against unarmed civilians, but would use them to counter armed attacks by terrorists.

 

The centre described United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) co-leader Natthawut Saikua as one of the major terrorist figures.

 

Maj-Gen Khattiya, a highly controversial and hardline red-shirt supporter, died Monday morning after being shot in the head by a sniper last Thursday.

 

 

Rink

 

[drogon]

He hasn't been court martialed so technically he is still an officer of the Royal Thai Army....

so he is neither a mutineer (barely adequate term for an officer) nor a terrorist...

I know I know, don't throw stones at me

 

 

 

 

[LizardKing]

New Mandela isn't a Thaksin mouth piece, if you don't like it, fair enough, but the people involved are very straight shooters (No pun intended)

They may as well be as they (Nirmal & Nick anyway) are very biased IMHO. But what's that have to do with this discussion and Banharn? Did you put this in the wrong place, or just a brain fart 5555?

[KimDidMeGood]

Another propaganda piece straight out of Thaksin’s PR trying to justify this as a social movement. I actually feel a bit sad for these western left wing socialists who are going to be so disappointed when the dust clears and it turns out that nothing has changed. These downtrodden people will continue to elect the same people to Parliament with the same result.

 

If they were demonstrating in their home towns against the local godfathers and their families I would be 100% behind them.

TH

 

Sounds like Red-Herring to me. The problem here is that they should be allowed to elect whomever they want, regardless of the reasons they elect them, without fearing that some silver bullet will overturn the vote with some legal artifice fallaciously depicted as a "democratic process".

 

The subtext of your typical argumentation seems to be inspired by the PAD bible of talking points: "They ("those downtrodden people") are a stupid uneducated bunch of drunkard lazy-asses, therefore they're not qualified to vote so let's appoint 70% of MP's."

[ThaiHome]

Another propaganda piece straight out of Thaksin’s PR trying to justify this as a social movement. I actually feel a bit sad for these western left wing socialists who are going to be so disappointed when the dust clears and it turns out that nothing has changed. These downtrodden people will continue to elect the same people to Parliament with the same result.

 

If they were demonstrating in their home towns against the local godfathers and their families I would be 100% behind them.

TH

 

Sounds like Red-Herring to me. The problem here is that they should be allowed to elect whomever they want' date=' regardless of the reasons they elect them, without fearing that some silver bullet will overturn the vote with some legal artifice fallaciously depicted as a "democratic process".

 

The subtext of your typical argumentation seems to be inspired by the PAD bible of talking points: "They [u']("those downtrodden people")[/u] are a stupid uneducated bunch of drunkard lazy-asses, therefore they're not qualified to vote so let's appoint 70% of MP's."

 

No, the point is every single MP was elected and when elections are held again, will likely get elected again. The fact that the MP choose to change sides or even later fulfill a campaign promise after breaking it, it a local issue, not a Bangkok Elite. The red herring is this protest. Your reference to the PAD bible is strawman attempting to take attention from the true issue.

TH

 

[LizardKing]

I once again notice that no red supporter can actually answer my very simple question: just how exactly is pressing on in this situation furthering the red's stated cause?

 

A corollary is how was turning down 14 Nov elections furthering your quest for democratic free-n-fair elections?

 

Most know the answer, but I'd like to see the spin. I can't even get that. I just get ignored.

[LizardKing]

Sounds like Red-Herring to me. The problem here is that they should be allowed to elect whomever they want, regardless of the reasons they elect them, without fearing that some silver bullet will overturn the vote with some legal artifice fallaciously depicted as a "democratic process".

So by extension then, you feel that the UK is undemocratic and the people just got screwed because Cameron came to power exactly the same way Abhisit did? Not to mention the exact same way Somchai, and Samak before him did.

[BadaBing]

I once again notice that no red supporter can actually answer my very simple question: just how exactly is pressing on in this situation furthering the red's stated cause?

 

A corollary is how was turning down 14 Nov elections furthering your quest for democratic free-n-fair elections?

 

Most know the answer, but I'd like to see the spin. I can't even get that. I just get ignored.

 

I hope the answer is that the Reds have painted themselves into a corner. Saving face seems to have been tossed out the window...avoiding the gallows may be their exit strategy now...

 

 

 

[Mekong]

Gunmen target innocent people: CRES

 

 

10:29pm

 

 

There were about five to ten armed men firing at innocent people from a building near the Century Hotel, Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd, Centre for the Resolution of Emergency Situation (CRES) spokesman, said on Monday night.

 

These men dressed like soldiers, he said.

 

According to Col Sansern, they fired shots from the 24th floor of Cheewathai building.

 

Authorities were trying to pressure them, but the operation was done with difficulty because the building was under construction, he said.

 

Col Sansern also said that these gunmen must be supporters of the red-shirts, since no one can enter the area except red-shirt protesters.

 

 

 

BP

 

I have it on good authority that the gunmen are UDD supporters in disguise. They approached security asking permission to search the partial constructed building and after a few phone calls building owners agreed to allow two UDD guards in to carry out a search. When the doors were opened ten UDD supporters piled in and overpowered the guards before donning military clothing.